Friday, November 10, 2006

Victory!


The BNP two have unanimously been found not guilty on all charges by the jury! Just watched the channel 4 news, in which 2 professional anti-racists were whining about the result. One moron thought that they should have been found guilty for criticising islam even though they were tried on race hate charges. When John Snow (the news guy) pointed out that islam was not a race, he said that the violent and racist history of the BNP should have been taken into account to come to a guilty verdict! In other words he thinks people can be found guilty of crimes they havent commited, because of allegations about completely different crimes for which they have not been prosecuted. The other guy facing Snow admitted they should have been found not guilty but thinks the law should be changed to make it illegal to make 'islamophobic' remarks. He seems to think that a religion needs protection from people saying hateful things about it. The practical result would be that I would not be allowed to voice in private to a friend that I believe Islam has a violent history and is therefore a wicked faith. This is big brother logic, this guy wants to create thought crimes, and ban anyone that disagrees with multi-cult ideology. His twisted logic was exposed moments later, when he claimed that the BNP's views should be exposed and would be defeated by debating openly. John Snow pointed out you cant have it both ways; It cant be both illegal and possible to debate these issues. Clearly though when 12 ordinary men and women from the public were exposed in an open courtroom to both sides of the story, they unanimously sided with the BNP and agreed that it was legitimate to voice criticism of Islam. So the idea that they can be defeated in the public arena just doesnt wash. Furthermore the BNP suffers from a news black out most of the year round so it really is very pompous, self-righteous and hypocritical to claim that you want to, and are able, to defeat your opponents in the open, the moment you cant avoid them appearing on tv, and have been doing nothing but pretend they dont exist the rest of the year long.
As Im about to finish writing this, the slimy, servile non-entity that is Gordon Brown has announced that the goalposts will be moved as soon as it can be arranged. If the law doesnt suit you then change it to get the result you want. He claims 'mainstream opinion in this country will be offended by some of the statements that they have heard made'. So it should be illegal to state anything that goes against the mainstream! And these politicians bang on about freedom, they cant even spell the word.
The treacherous puppet can change the law, but he cant change the direction this society is moving in. And its not peace, progress, and prosperity in a multi-cultural atheistic utopia.

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31 Comments:

Blogger editor said...

The future for Britain is bright!

8:39 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

EXCELLENT NEWS,now for the propoganda war to REALLY show up the BBC etc...for what they really are!.

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1:39 AM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

Who gives a fuck what direction this "society" is moving in? On the one hand you have the simple-minded oiks of the BNP and company, and on the other hand you have the brain-dead, ignorant "cosmopolitan" (degenerate) mainstream, while at the top you have a bunch of corrupt mendacious pricks who should be in a telenovela and not shaping the future of the world, while ripping the country off and doing shady deals on the side. Did I mention that they invaded Serbia for the "genocide" of just over a thousand armed terrorists, then initiated a war which has resulted in almost 700,000 deaths? And people vote for them... Not to mention the urban underclass and all the other fucked up sections of the British population. There, that's your "society" for you ;)

7:43 AM  
Blogger Nikola said...

You live in this society, if you dont care what direction its moving in, you might as well not care about your existance. I am a European, Britain is part of Europe, it matters to me what happens to it. Even if I had no interest in the place that you and I reside in, it would be relevant for one big reason. Serbia is obssessed with the west and its globalist, 'democratic', multicultural experiment. The sooner it fails here, the better for Serbia. Calling the BNP simple-minded oiks and then going on to attack the mainstream really is sitting on the fence. Have you even read the BNP manifesto, explain to me what is simple minded about it. Do you have a problem with exiting the EU, stopping immigration, stopping pointless foreign wars, putting an end to the globalist agenda, at least in Britain? If you dont care then you shouldnt pass judgement, now that you have i challenge you to defend your position.

9:26 AM  
Blogger editor said...

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11:34 AM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

"Society" is just a collection of individuals in the West. I don't feel affected by British society, because it doesn't exist. I also don't buy into this pan-European identity - although we are European, we are also Orthodox, Slav, Balkan, citizens of the World etc etc

Also, Serbia gains nothing from the BNP coming to power. If their kind of ideology swept the world, I can see Serbia formally becoming a Anglo-American/German colony (at present it might as well be, but it has some vestiges of sovereignty left). As for the BNP themselves, their (presumeably) most capable and intelligent member has a third class degree and they can't even find someone to make them a decent website to get out their message. If they can't even organise a political party, why should anyone trust them to run the country? I'm indifferent to their policies (as presented by you), but looking at who would be putting them into action just makes me laugh. In short, I think you're suffering from "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" syndrome.

By the way, your (hopefully unintentional) characterisation of 1999 as a pointless war is quite fucked up. Almost as fucked up as the likelihood that 90%+ of British people probably wouldn't have a clue what I'm referring to.

5:37 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

estavisti,if you reside here(in Britain) then please leave,because of your uncaring attitude,you are part of the problem,you represent all that is bad about modern life and attitudes,you mention the BNP website being "not decent",strange then that it is the most popular political website,admit it all you care about is yourself and you are sulking about your miserable existence and paranoia.

7:25 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

^Precisely the level of political debate to which BNP supporters and sympathisers are condemned...

8:01 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

please explain oh great learned and wise one!.

8:22 PM  
Anonymous EZD said...

Estavisti,i quote you,
"Also, Serbia gains nothing from the BNP coming to power. If their kind of ideology swept the world, I can see Serbia formally becoming a Anglo-American/German colony (at present it might as well be, but it has some vestiges of sovereignty left)"
I take it you have insider knowledge on BNP foreign policy,am i right?
The point of the debate is that Britain(namely English people)need to look in the mirror and see that their traditional culture,history,values and more importantly Faith are crumbling away in front of their very eyes.the real question for Britain is, are Anglo Saxons happy about the fact that the British isles are the subject of a multi cultural make-over systematically engineered by the NWO over the past century?do you really care that tomorrow your children will not know the difference between an asian,african,arab and a pure Anglo Saxon?they probably dont anyway!
Love who you are and preserve it!There is a reason we were born into our respective nationalities and our nations must embrace the benchmarks Christ left us.

11:24 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

Shieldwall: Here's the explanation - instead of countering my points, you immediately launched into an entirely baseless attack on me, which makes you a fuckwit in my book.

ezd: Of course I have no idea what BNP foreign policy would be like. However, I wasn't making any reference to their policy, but to the likely consequences if "their kind of ideology swept the world". Not the same thing. As to most of the rest of your post, I really couldn't care less as that isn't the point for me.

By the way, if by "faith" you mean Anglicanism, that's been a crock of shit ever since it was founded simply to facilitate a corrupt and brutal ruler's political independence from Rome (as well as his divorce). Now it's even worse, with crappy marketing techniques, women priests, the tacit acceptance of homosexuality, and other desperate attempts to be down with the kids - all with the aim of getting bums on pews, which simply drives people away even more. Quite a few Anglican priests are recognising this and turning to Orthodoxy...

As for the difference between Anglo-Saxon, Asian, African and Arab, I'm sure my kids will know it - the Anglo-Saxon countries were most vociferous in supporting a bunch of Islamic terrorists and bombing Serbia for 78 days (based on a load of propaganda), whereas on the other hand the Japanese have donated millions (without making a song and a dance about it) to help deal with the damage that's been done. Of course, that's all bullshit because generalising about nations is meaningless, but since you wanted me to do it, I felt I should oblige, you know?

12:55 AM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

estavisti,you using the word "fuckwit" also makes you one.

10:57 AM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

also judging a whole nation by its government also makes you one.

11:00 AM  
Blogger Nikola said...

Im weighing in with a post about this stuff tonight.

11:31 AM  
Blogger editor said...

Estavisti,

Your accusations of the BNP are completely unfounded.

They have a sound foreign policy and the nutshell of this is: "Good neighbours, good fences".

They are not, as you imply, seeking to force their ideology on other nations. They are solely interested in making Britain a Britain.

I await nikola to address these issues in full in his forthcoming post.

editor

12:04 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

Shieldwall: This is going nowhere, exchanging personal insults is pointless. Also, you probably missed the part where I said that "generalising about nations is meaningless" and "bullshit", so clearly I don't think you can judge a nation by its government ;)

editor: For the second time, I'm not accusing the BNP of anything, apart from incompetence. I'm not seeking to imply that they're "seeking to force their ideology on other nations". What I'm saying is that if the BNP "made Britain a Britain" (as you put it), it might lead to similar parties coming to power internationally. In Germany, let's say. And then we'd be fucked, just a tiny little bit.

nikola: I look forward to your explanation of why Serbs should support British nationalism :P

12:55 PM  
Blogger editor said...

Estavisti,

How can you accuse the BNP of incompetance when you have admitted you have no knowledge of their manifesto?

I think you suffering from a case of negative media reinforcement against the BNP. - In that you think it is incompetant.

If you read the BNP manifesto, you will see that they are not "Simple-minded oinks". Rather, they are a legitimate party with effective policy proposals.

I could go on, but I await nikola's post.

Nikola: You have a lot counting on your post. No pressure :)

1:29 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

Where did I say I was uninformed as to their manifesto? And what does their manifesto have to do with their capabilities? So it's decently written - it would be extremely surprising if it weren't. I mean, I could knock up a policy document of the same calibre in a couple of days myself.

2:12 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

YES,you probably could,as long as the swearing was omitted and it was of a positive nature and not doom laden and negative as your previous posts.

4:08 PM  
Blogger editor said...

Estavisti, You didn't explicitly state that you were uniformed to the BNP's manifesto but you did say this:

"they can't even find someone to make them a decent website to get out their message. If they can't even organise a political party, why should anyone trust them to run the country? I'm indifferent to their policies (as presented by you (Nikola))".

1: You obviously haven't read their website (at least a good proportion to know where they stand)

2: They are a legitimate party with an organisational structure and they are established and voted for in elections. - Therefore allegations of incompetence with their organisation are void.

3: You said "I'm indifferent to their policies (as presented by you (Nikola))" This indicates that the your only knowlege of their policies came from Nikola's comments.

If you knew their manifesto, their electoral improvement and widespread public (and private) support you would not have written your comments unless you were a cretin who lacks the skill of recognising self-evident truths.

A manifesto is far more than a nicely-written document. It sets out the party's goals and strategies. This is upon which people should judge the BNP. And how can you make sweeping statements about its competence, when they haven't yet had one seat in the commons to prove it?

From the evidence available to us so far, the BNP councillors, elected in the local elections, are doing extremely well.

Therefore the allegations of incompetance have no bearing whatsoever, as they are completely unfounded. You have inadvertedly adopted the negative stance towards the BNP that the media has layed for you. And don't deny it, the media also say that they are incompetent.

The fact of the matter is, the BNP are a fast-growing party that have sound policies, a good team, and a good approach.

Therefore, before making any more sweeping statements, generalisations and fabrications of the media, learn about the BNP and stop basing your knowledge on a few sentences you might have read in the past about the BNP.

5:31 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Editor,nicely put and straight to the point,well done!.

6:25 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

editor:
1: I have read their manifesto, which is hosted, incidentally, on the horrendously biased propaganda outlet known as the BBC (not being sarcastic).

2: No one denies that they're legitimate, have an organisational structure and that people vote for them. That doesn't mean they're not incompetent - look at Labour, the Tories, and the Lib-Dems. Would you say those parties aren't incompetent with the same reasoning?!

3: What I said merely indicates that I don't wish to get into a discussion of their policies, not that I'm not acquainted with them.

4: They do not have widespread public support. 50 or so local councillors in a country of 60 million people is not "widespread public support". You admit it yourself when you say that they don't have "one seat in the commons". Their public support (or lack of it) has no bearing on the arguments anyway.

5: Yes, it's all the media's fault. For your information, the only media articles I read are about Serbia or related topics. I do believe I have never read an article about the BNP - so much for "the media" influencing my opinion. Anyway, I gather that the media criticism of them is that they're "vile racists", not that they're oikish, poorly educated incompetents.

6: So I'm a "cretin who lacks the skill of recognising self-evident truths". To answer your point, no truths are self-evident. I'd also like to point out that making personal attacks in no way advances your argument.

Most if not all the arguments against what I have to say seem to be directed either against me and not my arguments, or against points I haven't even made. So, good luck with that...

It's quite bizarre that two Serbs who (I presume) consider themselves nationalists are expending so much energy in defending an insignificant and poorly led British nationalist party, which isn't even going anywhere. Шта се дешава овом народу, да не верујеш...

6:59 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

bloody hell,estavisti can tell the future aswell!.What is your political persuasion if any,and what are your ideals,if you dont mind me asking?.

7:46 PM  
Blogger editor said...

Estavisti,

Again, like many, you suffer from the problem of misinterpretation.

1:) Firstly let me tell you that I did not insult you. The word "Cretin" was used hypothetically:
"If you knew their manifesto, their electoral improvement and widespread public (and private) support you would not have written your comments unless you were a cretin"

2:) Again you did not fail to give a sweeping statement: There are no self-evident truths. What are you an "ILlogical positivist" - (philosophical knowledge required)

3:) I knew you would say that the media portray them so that you could excuse your rubbishing of them.

4:) So you are saying that the BNP are incompetant oinks from ONLY reading their manifesto? If you haven't read an article about the BNP then HOW ARE YOU QUALIIFIED TO TALK ABOUT THEM? You therefore have noe legitimacy to talk about them whatsoever. Everything you have said has been you self-concocted gibberish then.
Forgive me then, I thought you might have read something about them but no.

5:) My phrasing of "widepread public support" is not incorrect. Firstly there is the silent majority. Secondly, you would do well to initiate your education into the BNP (That is before making another baseless remark) by watching this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzRoDo804zo

6:) My arguments have not been against you estavisti. They have been against your arguments. And I did not call you a cretin. I said, hypothetically, that if, after reading enough reading, you still have the baseless opinion, then you would be a cretin. Throw your misconceptions aside, and start learning.

7:) As you were born here, I find it highly innappropriate that you should feel no duty to the country of which you have been educated. Britain is a country that is suffering from a virus that our country is about to undergo. I am sure that Nikola will explain the benefits of the BNP to Srbija. But besides the point, the BNP affects Britain. You live in Britain. Whether you like it or not, you have an element of British culture thats imbeded into you now. To flatly deny this would be foolish. You are British(in a civic sense) but with Serbian identity. To have no duty to the country that has adided your developement is at the least, ungrateful.

The BNP did not kill Serbian lives in 1999. The BNP would not have got invloved in the first place.

Therefore, stop your unfounded accusations. They are simply untrue.

9:05 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

I can't be bothered to repeat myself all over again. All I'll say is that if Britain hadn't shafted Serbia in '45 and '91-'99 I wouldn't have even ended up in this country. I wasn't born here, and my kids definitely won't be born here. Why should I feel grateful? For what? For 50 years of Communism? For the economic embargo? For the "humanitarian" bombing? For what?

9:35 PM  
Blogger Estavisti said...

Last thing: lies, damned lies, and statistics. Supporting policies is not the same as supporting a certain political party. Negligible number of votes = negligible popular support.

9:42 PM  
Blogger editor said...

There you go again, judging a country by its government (as shieldwall said).

You should be grateful that you have the ability to comment on such an issue! You take it for granted.

You should be great ful for the education you have had to think the way you think (which is nevertheless not-popular and non-sensical in some respects)

You are angry at the politicians who have wounded Srbija. THe BNP are angry at the those same politicians. Maybe for different reasons - such as turning Britain into a multi-cultural hell hole. Nevertheless, had the BNP been in power during the turbulent 20th century, we would not have had nay problems.

Also, its rich you accusing the BNP of "lying" that they backed up with empirical evidence AND your accusations based on the contents of your ass!

Let me tell you something, the BNP abhore: communism, the unneccessary campaigns against other countries- including economic sanctions.

Britain, can be a good country. It still has good moral people.

Above all, You are a resident of Britain. The situation in Britain directly affects you. Moreover, you were not killed on your way to church in times of communism, bombs did not drop on your head in 1999, you were never subject to economic sanctions. You were living comfortably here in England.
Though this does affect the Serbian people which gives you somthing to be angry about, logically, what happens here in Britain affects you more.

In a nutshell, you are selfish. No gratitude for what living in Britain has offered you. Britain is a country in need. It needs help to reguvanate a glorius civilization. The reguvenation, is the BNP. They will "Rebuild British Democracy".

This ultimately affects you. If not, than it affects all Serbs living in England. If not for the good of the British people, than at least for your Serbian brothers here in England.

10:05 PM  
Blogger shieldwall said...

Estavisti,you are beyond help,it amazes me how ungrateful and selfish you are,God help you with that attitude,I hope your children do not inherit those traits.

5:15 PM  
Blogger John1975 said...

I love the british swear words...they are so funny to me...seriously...it's like what one would say on a playground in gradeschool here in America.

I'm not making fun at all, I'm just saying it's funny to read words like "fuckwit" and "twat".

Other than that, I have no idea what you guys are talking about here. What is the BNP? I'm going to have to go find out.

4:35 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

The BNP are a political party here in the Uk. (http://www.bnp.org.uk/)
A couple of my more recent blog entries have been about them. We supposedly live in a democracy here in the Uk, but theres no difference between the 3 main parties, and due to a first past the post system, scarcely any other parties are represented in parliament. These guys did pole around a million votes for the EU elections a while back, so they are going places.

5:37 PM  

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