Thursday, February 08, 2007

Israel

And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!" (St.Matthew 27:25)


It is clear from the behaviour of this Jewish settler that he has no inner calm and is a living example that religious fanatacism does not make one a spiritual person. One might well argue that given the fact that he lives in a conflict zone, he might well have reason to be neurotic, and resentful. But upon closer examination this view is unsustainable. For one he makes the claim that he is 'proud' that the Jews killed Jesus. One could derive a hatred of Arabs or Muslims, but what do Christians have to do with the conflict. Only a small percentage of Palestinians are Christian. This settler has clearly been taught as part of his religious instruction this animosity towards Christianity and Christ. It could not have come from his everyday experiences. One can remember the furore that Mel Gibsons film 'Passion of the Christ' caused. The Jewish lobby were opposed to certain lines in the film that were biblical verses. In other words they find the Christian faith intolerable and anti-semitic. Their phony cries of intolerance were a sad joke given that they wanted biblical excerpts amended to appease their own theological viewpoint.
Various parts of the Talmud (their primary 'holy' book) compare ALL non-Jews to animals, and claim that Jesus will be punished in hell by being boiled in semen. -God forgive me for having to type this filth- And they find the Bible objectionable! Clearly the fact that the Jews killed Christ must have some cosmic significance to Christians, since we believe him to be our Lord and Saviour. And it would seem that Jews themselves believe that there is blood on their hands as evidenced by this young settlers pride at the act of his ancestors. He cant seem to fathom the concept that Jesus came to offer salvation to ALL souls. His attitude is 'God gave me this land, F*ck everyone else'. Some religion, some compassion, some humility.

Regarding Israel itself, here is a few facts that I came accross recently:

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.
2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are colour coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
3. Did you know that Israel allots 85% the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?
4. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?
5. Did you know that US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.
6. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)
7. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites? Yet these are grounds for pre-emptively attacking other countries!
8. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces? Yet similar alleged war crimes in the former Yugoslavia led to Serbia being bombed.
9.Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? I'll have a big entry on this in the future.
10. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions? Again countless countries have been attacked for 'defying' UN resolutions. Israel seems to be gunning for the Guiness world record and nobody cares.
11. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character? Yet pro-Israeli pundits all over Europe and America say that its racist to be anti-immigration.
12. Did you know that , Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?
13. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?
14. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public? It neednt bother 4 out of the main 5 media conglomerates in the US are Jewish owned.
15. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948? Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me.
16. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?
17. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?
18. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?
19. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians? You wouldnt know it by looking at the following evidence from an Australian lady who witnesses Palestinan children being attacked while police arrest her for trying to shield them!

20. Nelson Mandela, a secular saint of the Western world, called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be. And still noone cares even though every single 'holier than thou' bleeding heart liberal was all for imposing sanctions on South Africa when it was under an apartheid regime.

50 Comments:

Blogger Steve Hayes said...

As a South Africa bleeding heart liberal, I think you're over generalising.

8:53 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

About which particular point may I ask? Are you saying you were against apartheid in S.Africa, and are now against it in Israel?

10:11 AM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

I guess steve likes feeling lucky to be alive.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous blah said...

bleeding heart liberal... You fucking douche bag partisan hacks always sound the same. But yes, any intelligent person should and would agree, apartheid. Apart from whatever their political philosophy. So stop throwing generalizations out there you fucking right-wing jingo Christian ass kissing gay bashing homophobe. See... It's not nice. And no one appreciates your close-minded posts. Although I would defend to the death your right to generalize all you want. I still think you should reevaluate your positions and open your mind. And, well golly gee, notice that there are plenty of intelligent "liberals" out there. moron.

11:15 PM  
Blogger British National Party member said...

blah.

In all seriousness, please tie down the phrase "open your mind". If you want to really go into it, ill direct you to a busy athiest foum where you will probably find a lot of people who have what you would consider to be "open minds" and where I will probably find my opinions outnumbered again, but where more people will read what you write. But still, we can debate there. I want to really get to the bottom of what the bleeding hearts mean by "open your mind".

9:24 AM  
Blogger Nikola said...

Any further comments which include profanities will be deleted you illiterate. I had to read your comment 3 times to understand what you were trying to say. You managed to write an awful lot without actually saying anything in particular. You're more interested in trading insults than examining injustices. You ignore all 20 points against Israel and get your knickers in a twist over my 'bleeding heart' comment.

10:34 AM  
Blogger Papa Ray said...

I could just come here and read what you wrote and just say your an ignorant person.

Who has never made the effort to educate himself.

But I won't say that...

Because your just an idiot and for what ever reasons hate the Jews.

BTW, The "Jews" didn't kill Jesus, look it up.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

4:48 PM  
Anonymous EZD said...

Nikola! incinerate this poser called papa `butt kissing` ray whos claims are effectively trying to cleanse the `poor, harmless and defenceless JEEEWWWSSS`.
let me get the ball rolling then by saying that we as Christians dont "hate" anyone but condemn and pray for people who act against us.
Secondly,if your implying that romans killed Christ then your an even bigger, simple degenerate than i thought.
And lastly, for what God forsaken reason could you possibly be trying to defend the jews for!?

6:04 PM  
Anonymous Ardent said...

Papa Ray is defending the Jews because he is a JEW.

Perhaps Papa Ray might want to blame the death of Christ on the moslems. Shame you can't do that because Mohammed was not around then.

6:55 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

What is with people like 'blah' and 'papa ray'. Are you chronically incapable of examining the facts? Are you so bereft of knowledge that your only contribution is to sling insults? You contradict yourselves every step of the way. Papa says he will restrain himself from calling me ignorant, but then proceeds to call me an idiot.
You for one papa are so worried about the muslim threat that you cant see the traitors in your very midst. You cant see them manipulating and using you. And you react like a willing sheep to the slaughter with gung-ho proclamations on your blog.
'We're gonna free the shit out of you' with bombs falling in the background is your idea of a foreign policy. Women gyrating next to the American flag is your idea of patriotism.
Lastly for all your disdain of liberals, you effectively are brainwashed by them yourself. I list 20 injustices of the Jewish state, and the only possible reason your pea-sized brain can come up with as a possible reason is that..........I hate Jews. Why are they above criticism? Can they do no wrong? Does the principle of justice stop at the borders of Israel? Can I have no other motive but hate? You are the close-minded one.

10:19 PM  
Blogger Papa Ray said...

Your right, I'm closed minded to lies and PA (and Arab) propaganda. The Pals could have had their own country several times over the last thirty years, instead they want to be greedy and have it all. Well they have lost every war with Israel and to the victor goes the spoils and the land.

Look it up, it's always been that way.

And if it will make you feel better, your not an idiot, just ignorant.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
P.S. There are few (percentage wise) practicing Jews in Israel for your information. Look for them elsewhere, maybe in [e]urope and America to start.

12:14 AM  
Blogger SerbBlog.com said...

As one Serb to another, I cannot tell you how disappointing it is to see this anti-Semitism on page penned by a Serbian Orthodox Christian! Can't you see the parallels between the political invention of the phony "Palestinian" ethnicity and the phony "Kosovar" identity -- it worked so well for group of radical Muslims that they decided to try it a second time!

I don't know where this anti-Semitism is coming from because it is not, not has it ever been traditionally "Serb". Serbs and Jews died together during World War II and had (and still have) most of the same enemies: http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html Think long and hard about that flag with the swastika and scimitar and remember which side of it you are on -- the same one as the Jews!

Who does your anti-Semitism benefit? The same people who are killing our people! And who does it harm? Those of us who work hand-in-hand with our brother and sisters to help bring the truth to light: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26932

You have some intersting pieces here on your blog, and I do believe in "Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava", but I cannot in good conscience point people from my blog to yours and let them see the anti- Semitic rants that does us no good and much harm!

Please ask yourself who this anti-Semitism benefits and who it harms, for the sake of your own soul as well as that of your people!

1:26 AM  
Anonymous EZD said...

Good grief serbblog!
you obviously know nothing about the jews whatsoever!
Your caught up in their propaganda web like most people.
very disappointing...
nikola, please, heres another lamb braught to your potential slaughter..

7:20 AM  
Blogger Nikola said...

@Papa:
You missed point number 1 of my list which states the fact that any Jew from anywhere in the world can come to Israel and is guarranteed citizenship, can settle land in any kibbutz, but the Palestinians are herded into giant ghettoes and not allowed the right to return to their own homes. And the state of Israel does not define a Jew by religious terms, but on ethnic grounds. So you could be an atheist, but you've still got a right to come and settle Palestinian land. So dont talk to me about practicing Jews and how few of them there are in Israel.
@Serb blog:
Maybe you can for a start explain to me why the Palestinian ethnicity is 'phony'?
More importantly though, what have I said that you regard as anti-semtitic? Because if you regard it as anti-semitic that I am not praising the Jews and am accusing them of something negative, then I can accuse you of being anti-Albanian. Clearly no such word exists, so why is any criticism of the Jewish lobby or Israel called anti-semitism, but criticism of others is perfectly valid? Are they sinless? Why have they requisitioned the word 'semite' for themselves? The arabs are just as semitic as them if not more so. Yet when I unveil injustices of Israel against the Arabs, Im anti-semitic.
Also the word anti-semitic implies irrational hate. For a start I have listed a set of facts that I consider quite damning about the state of Israel so I dont know why I can be considered irrational. Secondly I have not done it in an inflammotory way, nor have I incited any sort of hatred. It is important that people know the truth. To see and not to speak would be a great betrayal. If I am wrong, then point out my mistakes and hopefully I will be big enough to accept wherever I have strayed. But to accuse me of irrational hatred without pointing to my mistakes seems to me irrational. Unfortunately you are not the first in a long list of people who in response to facts, responds with almost nothing but cries of 'anti-semtism' as if that completely annuls all of my facts and establishes my guilt as an irrational hater. The word is the ultimate psychological propaganda tool.

10:16 AM  
Blogger Nikola said...

I might also add, since you mention Orthodoxy and my soul, I recommend that you read some of St.Nikolaj's works. Check out his writings on the historic impact of Jews in Europe and on Christendom.

10:49 AM  
Anonymous Redneck Texan said...

1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.

Are you suggesting Israel limits the rights of Muslims inside Israel to the same extent that a Muslim country, like say Saudi Arabia, limits the rights of Jews? What would happen if a Jew in Saudi Arabia tried to build a synagogue, or even walked down the street carrying an Israeli flag or star of david.....why are you only pointing out one side of the story?

5. Did you know that US aid to Israel exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent?

Did you know that the US gives more money to Muslim Egypt than it does the entire rest of the African Continent? And that when you add up what the US gives Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon, the US actually gives as much aid to Israel's Arab Enemies as we do Israel. But you dont see the Jews blowing up our shit for supporting the Arabs do you?

7. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

You forgot to mention that it was a European nation that helped Israel build the Dimona reactor....over the objections of the US.

Look Dumbass, there is no doubt in any rational observer's mind that the Jews in Israel have exceeded the geographical limits of their mandate, and that they used terroristic methods to consolidate their gains. But lets not fuckin pretend the Poor innocent Muslims are any less guilty of attempting to exterminate the Jews than your European butt buddies were. Israel could...if they were as bloodthirsty as the Serbs...put down the Palestinian resistance in a fortnight. They have the capability to exterminate the Stinkin Pals.....but they show an amazing level of restraint....if the table were turned and the Pals had the capability, do you think they would show as much restraint?????
I personally could give a shit about the Jews. In fact I am pissed off that their survival has become my problem.

But if I am forced to choose sides in the conflict....which side should I support.....the ones that are blowin my shit up and cutting my fellow American's heads off while screamin their Prophets name...or the ones that are not attacking me.....hmmm, thats a toughie.

And the only reason we supported the creation of Israeli in the first place, is the same reason we blew the shit out of your piece of shit stinkin' homeland. Some bleeding hearted liberal reporter stuck a camera in the face of our leaders while rolling footage of the atrocities your brethren were committing and asked him "What are You Gonna Do About It?"

You think I like being the World's Fuckin Policemen? If it was up to me I would have stood by and watched the Ethnic Cleansing continue in Kosovo....Hell I was enjoying it. But then you didn't stop when we told you to....and thats where you fucked up.

And you know man, when Wesley Clark can whip your ass....thats gotta be embarrassing.

Man, all I can tell you is that I hope your nationalist brethren who were brave enough to remain in Serbia and not run away and hide in the safety of Britain, conjure up the balls to fire up the ethic slaughter machine again. I promise you, if my government raises a finger to stop it this time, I will become an Anti-War Protester myself.

Go For It.

3:00 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

Your contribution to world politics is noted red neck. Right now Im studying and will launch a complete response when Im good and ready.

5:08 PM  
Blogger SerbBlog.com said...

1. Jospeh Farah, author of this article, is an Arab Christian

2. Here's the PLO Charter, which has never been renounced. It denies Israel's right to even exist!

3.The Hamas Charter doesn't just declare Israel as an enemy, but also declares the Rotary Club, Lions Clubs and FreeMasons as "enemy spies".

3. Have you read the words of Bridgett Gabriel or seen here video? She is Lebanese Christian who was rescued from war-torn Lebanon.

4 This is how Palestinian Christians are treated by Palestinian Muslims which is why most of them have left!

Re Bishop Nikolaj, my friend's mother from NY was Bishop Nikolaj's secretary when he was at St. Sava's in NY and my father was an early member there who knew Bishop Nikolaj. Bishop Nikolaj's anti-Semitism died during WWII, which is why he was thrown into Dachau. The book that was published after his death in the 1950's was not even authored by him. Seeing the evil of 6 million people being put to their death for their Faith can have a sobering effect on someone!

Unfortunately, a Serb taking potshots at Jews and Israel only serves to reinforce the image of Serbs as "Nazis" and is useful to no one except the enemies of the Serbs.

8:05 PM  
Blogger Hellenian said...

Nikola, great response to the Judeophilic Serbian poster wailing of "anti-Semitism". The only thing more outrageous than the fact that Jews have hijacked the term "Semite" -- even though it is a term designating a slew of Semitic-speaking peoples such as Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians -- is that they have instilled a hyper-emotional reactionary mindset into non-Jews and programmed them to spout such accusations at even the smallest hint of any criticism directed at Israel, International Jewry, or even individual Jews, completely irrespective of how justified the criticism is.

When I see Greeks or Serbs (or, indeed, any other Orthodox Christian peoples) who have sacrificed their minds by imprisoning themselves into this sort of (mental) gulag, I can only feel disgust at the pathetic state that they have been reduced to by a people who bear an extreme hostility to them not only for geopolitical or economic reasons, but for even religious and racial reasons. (The racist doctrines of the Talmud make it clear that, in the eyes of a Jew, a non-Jew is equal to an animal. Likewise, Jewish hatred for Christians, and dishonoring Christian religious symbols, is an old religious obligation in Judaism.) Typically, such individuals also bear a fanatic support for Jewish interests, even at the expense of their own personal interests and their nation's interests.

The aforementioned individual is not an exception to this rule. Although he has deceived himself into believing that Serbs and Jews are on the "same side", he conveniently ignores several facts:

1) Many prominent Jews (e.g. Madeleine Korbel Albright, Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, Jeremy Michael Boorda, Barbara Levy Boxer, Wesley Kanne "Wes" Clark, William Sebastian Cohen, Eliot Lance Engel, Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein, David Finn, Richard Charles Albert Holbrooke, Thomas Peter "Tom" Lantos, Joseph Isadore "Joe" Lieberman, James Philip "Jamie" Rubin, Charles Ellis "Chuck" Schumer, George Soros, Arlen J. Specter, etc.) played both direct and indirect rols in the bombing of Yugoslavia.

2) Many Jewish organizations (e.g. American Jewish Committee, Canadian Jewish Congress, Rabbinical Council of America, Jewish Council for Public Affairs, United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, Union of American Hebrew Congregations, Jewish Theological Seminary, The Rabbinical Assembly, B'nai B'rith International, Jewish Community Relations Council, Australian Jewish Community, National Conference on Soviet Jewry, United Synagogue Youth, Anti-Defamation League, Jewish Orthodox Union, Religious Action Center, United States Holocaust Memorial Council, Milwaukee Jewish Council for Community Relations, National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council, Jewish Peace Fellowship, etc.) gave their support to the United States and NATO so that they would stop "Serbian atrocities" which they likened to the persecutions that Jews allegedly suffered under the Nazis. It must also be mentioned that the leaders of the Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism -- representing 1.5 million Jews and 1,800 rabbis in 875 congregations throughout North America -- gave their support for NATO airstrikes while the the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs authored policies to break up Yugoslavia.

3) Many Jewish newspapers (e.g. Jewish Post, Jewish Times, Canadian Jewish Times, Jewish Bulletin, Jewish World Review, Jewish News, etc.) promoted anti-Serbian propaganda to their own Jewish readers while mainstream Jewish-controlled media outlets did the same thing on a greater scale to the greater public.

(Note: All of this information, and far more, can be found at: http://www.serbiandefenseleague.com.)

However, the individual in question takes it even further than most by actually implying that one who is anti-Jewish... runs the risk of going to hell! I suppose he forgot how critical the Church Fathers and a plethora of Orthodox Christian saints have been towards Jews.

I understand why he's chosen to support Jews but the notion that, should Serbs become fanatic Zionists, Israel and International Jewry will support Serbian national interests is rather naive -- especially when one considers the events of the last decade and the role that Jews played in them. The fact remains that Jews not only did not support the Serbs against the Muslims but actually went out of their way to support the Muslims against the Serbs and to ensure the destruction of Serbia by the West. This indicates that Jews were more threatened by Serbia than they were of Balkan Muslims. The fact is that Yugoslavia was a sovereign nation and Serbs were a nationalistic and religious people. If they had been allowed to remain that way, they would have been an example for other countries, especially fellow Orthodox Christian countries. And that couldn't be allowed. So they were villified, bombed, divided into several states, and given a pro-Western puppet government to prevent a rise in Orthodox Christian nationalism. So why would Jews ever want to support Serbian national interests when it is clear that a strong, nationalist, and Orthodox Serbia is the one thing that Jews don't want?

6:41 AM  
Anonymous EZD said...

Hellenian!that was one of the most accurate and unbelievably amazing comments ever seen on this blog!
Long may you live and God bless you!
I dont know how much you went out of your way to write that but one thing is for sure, and that is that the world needs more like minded people like you.
Stunning!i thank you on behalf of all thats trully benevolent and especially on behalf of Serbs and other orthodox christians!

11:19 AM  
Blogger SerbBlog.com said...

Hellenian,

Your facts are accurate, but your conclusions are not.

You are correct in that many Jewish politicians were part of the "Bomb the Serbs" legions, but so were many non-Jews. The Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians hired the PR Firm Ruder Finn to manipulate popular opinion against the Serbs and they specifically went after Jewish politicians to give their clients' cause credibility. Add to that Albanians spreading around a few hundred thousand dollars into the campaign coffers of those politicians like Lantos (1998, Albanians were his highest contributor) and Jewish organizations followed. Meanwhile, what did the Serbs in the US do? Virtually nothing -- you were lucky if you could get them to cough up a buck & a quarter or write a single letter to the newspapers or to their elected officials in the last fifteen years!

In spite of all of that, while people like me and others were trying to show Jews of good will and conscience, the snow job that had been done on them re the Serbs, and were fighting the Croat, Muslim and Albanian lies and getting somewhere, along comes this "CompuSerb" Serbian Defense League lunatic fringe to scuttle all our efforts! That group has done more harm to the reputation of Serbs than the Ustashi ever did! Whatever else that SDL is, it does not represent the attitudes of the majority of Serbs. And as far as I am concerned, it has a hell of a lot of nerve posting "Judgement" -- the film by Jared Israel on the Omarska "death camp" lies on google -- where I cannot even refer anyone lest they think it is "Serb fascist propaganda"

And if you bother to take a good look, some of the most effective and dedicated supporters of Serbs are Jewish -- Jared Israel, Julia Gorin, Ted Belman of IsraPundit, Nathan Pearlstein, Felix Quigley -- they have gotten off their butt and done something for our people when most of our own here in the US are doing nothing but whinning to each other about it!

Check out Julia Gorin's blog or Srebrenica" What if we Globalize al Qaeda? or Holocaust Denial on Display and see who our friends are -- and they are not Irish!

Re the lives of the Saints & the Jews -- those Saints didn't live at a time after 6 million Jews were slaughtered en masse. Whatever you may think that the sins of the Jews are, they've paid for them, in spades. And should we pay for ours now?

Again, I ask what good does an anti-Israel stance do for the Serbs? Because I can tell you what harm it does.

And by the way, I am "blinded" by nothing. I stand in the same political place as Srdija Trifkovic, as Svetlana Novko, as Vjekoslav Radovic and the Serbs who actually get listened to, instead of dismissed as lunatics.

I love Greeks as my own and Greece is one of my favorite places in the world. Greek-Americans, James & Stella Jatras couldn't be better friends to the Serbs, and I have never once heard them argue against Israel or the Jews -- so I can't imagine that this anti-Israel stance is characteristically Greek either!

6:59 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

1.Jospeh Farah, author of this article, is an Arab Christian
One wrong doesn’t excuse another. By your logic since Muslim Palestinians discriminate against Christian ones, that makes it Ok for Israel to discriminate against all of them.

2. Here's the PLO Charter, which has never been renounced. It denies Israel's right to even exist!
Shock, horror! Why does Israel even have an inherrent right to exist? Why does any state that can possibly be created have an automatic right to exist? A state has a right to exist, in my eyes, at a very minimum, if it is founded upon justice and gives self-determination to the indigenous people. That’s in my eyes admittedly. But why is Israel so surprised that its creation was and remains unacceptable despite the passage of time? Why can no one else have a stand on this issue which differs to that which Israel asserts. Most of the world doesn’t recognise the right of Northern Cyprus to exist, since it was based upon invasion and colonisation. Are you now saying that the Greek Cypriots are unreasonable and immoral for not recognising N. Cyprus.? Numerous states the world over are not recognised, but only the Israeli one is sacrosanct in your eyes.


3.The Hamas Charter doesn't just declare Israel as an enemy, but also declares the Rotary Club, Lions Clubs and FreeMasons as "enemy spies".
What is this supposed to prove? I couldn’t care less if Hamas considers Masons as their enemy.

3. Have you read the words of Bridgett Gabriel or seen here video? She is Lebanese Christian who was rescued from war-torn Lebanon.
And your point is what? Because Muslims can and do act badly, that means we should be jumping into bed with Israel. You are rightly extremely sensitive to Muslim injustices, but you don’t cast your spotlight on those of Israel.

4 This is how Palestinian Christians are treated by Palestinian Muslims which is why most of them have left!
See my response to point one.


Re Bishop Nikolaj, my friend's mother from NY was Bishop Nikolaj's secretary when he was at St. Sava's in NY and my father was an early member there who knew Bishop Nikolaj.
This seems to me to be a precursor in which you try and establish an image that you have some kind of personal insider knowledge which would add credit to your later completely unsubstantiated and unproven claims.
Bishop Nikolaj's anti-Semitism died during WWII, which is why he was thrown into Dachau.
The fact that you can even accuse him of being anti-Semitic is absolutely perverse. Again, since you have not defined the word, and since you havent specified what speeches/books you are referring to, I am completely unable to respond to anything specific. Either way: if you are implying irrational hatred, then substantiate your claim. If you are simply implying that he is not a servile praiser of the nobility of the Jews then you are really out of order using such a smear term to describe a Saint.
The book that was published after his death in the 1950's was not even authored by him.
Nikolaj authored numerous books, so which one you are referring to is not clear to me. Im assuming that you’re referring to ‘Words to the Serbian nation through the dungeon window’ since that is the book that is most attacked as ‘anti-semitic’. If it was not authored by him then why is there an introduction in which the method and time of its writing by him is described in detail? Why is the book published by Bishop Lavrentije, who knew Nikolaj, and a good deal better than your friends mother or your father? Why are there multiple copies of it to be found in the library of the monastary dedicated to him near the Bosnian border (Soko grad)? How come you know something noone else does? If you’re going to make claims which undermine the credibility of spiritual books then you better have a very sturdy reason. If not you are acting very recklessly.
Seeing the evil of 6 million people being put to their death for their Faith can have a sobering effect on someone!
Are you for real? You are making this Saint out to be some kind of irrational preacher of hate who only saw the error of his ways once six million people had been killed. For one you have yet to to define anti-semitism and list his particular misdemeanour. Secondly you have yet to explain why he was entirely consistent throughout all his writings, and where you came up with this innovative statement that he changed his view after WW2. Why are his writings about the Jews to be found in texts which are so highly regarded by other Orthodox churches that his writings can be found translated into English online? The biggest and most popular Orthodox information site on the net has a reading from his book ‘Homilies’ on its front page every single day. It contains numerous references to the theological and spiritual significance of the Jewish nation and its actions in history. I can provide every single entry where they are mentioned if you like. If he suddenly changed his view after WW2, why are non-Serbian Orthodox churches using it?

Unfortunately, a Serb taking potshots at Jews and Israel only serves to reinforce the image of Serbs as "Nazis" and is useful to no one except the enemies of the Serbs.
As is usual with people who accuse me of anti-semitism, my evidence of atrocities commited against others is ridiculed, and my hidden motives are immediately assumed to be inherently worse than any REAL atrocity that I have stated. It’s the equivalent of being a witness to an assault, and instead of the my evidence being used to prosecute the perpetrator, I suddenly get put on trial for being a mere witness. Suddenly the crime of having witnessed a crime which implicates the perpetrator becomes a greater evil than the original crime. And my only possible motive for accusing someone can be hate. Theres absolutely no room left open for the possibility that I might be telling the truth. Usually people don’t even allow for the possibility that I might be honestly mistaken.
So explain to me why my 20 points against Israel are ‘potshots’, and not simply facts and evidences of duplicity and injustice. You seem to me to have been so traumatised by the horrific experience of the 90’s during which the whole world was seemingly baying for our blood. The likening of the Serbs to Nazis has left such a lasting impression on you that you want to avoid at all costs anything which might assosciate Serbs with Nazism. But the cost which you are willing to pay is too high. It comes at the cost of subservience. You are implying that I should not utter a single negative statement about Jews and Israel, even when I have the evidence. That would be the action of a coward who hopes that if he just shuts himself up in his own little corner the world might accept him and leave him alone. You remind me of those Serbs who hope, despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary, that the whole nightmarish episode of the 90’s was one big mistake. You kid yourselves that the US might have been wrong, but that they had honest intentions. You kid yourselves that we are somehow to blame because we lost the propaganda war. You kid yourselves that we are to blame because we didn’t negotiate (read capitulate) cleverly enough. You’re prepared to believe anything that somehow absolves our enemy of ultimate responsibility for instigating every single war with nothing but their own selfish interests at mind. The refusal to look your enemy in the face and see him for what he is stems from the fear that it could all be repeated. If you were to accept that they wanted to bomb and dismember us, no matter what we did, it would clearly leave you feeling helpless. You prefer to comfort yourself that our fate is somehow tied up in how the objective international community views us, that it is benevolently desposed towards us, if we can only just represent ourselves in the right light. Don’t fall into this trap, it just leads you to subserviently capitulate to their every whim, and the result will be the same. Media propaganda was mobilised against us before and it can be turned on us again. Don’t kid yourself that you can influence them. You are doing a good job of portraying Serbia in a positive light to ordinary people, but don’t stay within the guidelines of what our enemies have dictated is acceptable to discuss.
The Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians hired the PR Firm Ruder Finn to manipulate popular opinion against the Serbs and they specifically went after Jewish politicians to give their clients' cause credibility. Add to that Albanians spreading around a few hundred thousand dollars into the campaign coffers of those politicians like Lantos (1998, Albanians were his highest contributor) and Jewish organizations followed. Meanwhile, what did the Serbs in the US do? Virtually nothing -- you were lucky if you could get them to cough up a buck & a quarter or write a single letter to the newspapers or to their elected officials in the last fifteen years!

I just knew that you’d come up with this. Are you seriously asking me to believe that the most powerful lobby in America kicked into action as a result of being duped or payed by the poorest country in Europe. This is a lobby that I have never known to mobilise for anything else but its own interests- that’s what a lobby is for after all. Asking me to believe that they would whore themselves out to a bunch of nobodies is to ask me to believe a fairytale. Furthermore it completely absolves our enemies. It’s the usual wishful thinking that it was all one big mistake, that America did have humanitarian concerns, it just got its facts mixed up. Tiny, anarchic, dirt poor Albania somehow managed to trick or bribe the worlds superpower into an honest mistake. The Jewish lobby is not a bunch of imbeciles that can be used and manipulated by a bunch of drug-dealing, whore-smuggling gangsters. It is the JEWISH lobby, it acts in its own interests, and you cannot bring yourself to accept the fact that is staring you in the face……..they had all the facts at their disposal and it was in their interests to act the way they did. They went out of their way to demonise and lie, does that not tell you that they did not have good and moral intentions.
That group has done more harm to the reputation of Serbs than the Ustashi ever did!
How did the Ustashi harm the reputation of the Serbs? How does being slaughtered harm ones reputation?
And if you bother to take a good look, some of the most effective and dedicated supporters of Serbs are Jewish -- Jared Israel, Julia Gorin, Ted Belman of IsraPundit, Nathan Pearlstein, Felix Quigley -- they have gotten off their butt and done something for our people when most of our own here in the US are doing nothing but whinning to each other about it!
You and I both know that it is lame to compare some of these noble and truth-loving individuals with the mass media machine which turned on us. I havent even heard of some of them, but the voice of the mass media was heard from one side of the globe to the other.

Check out Julia Gorin's blog or Srebrenica" What if we Globalize al Qaeda? or Holocaust Denial on Display and see who our friends are -- and they are not Irish!
Again, its pointless to compare a few blogs to the mass media. And a large portion of the artificial Jewish support for Serbia only kicked in years after it was already too late. They just wanted an opportunity to expose the dangers of Islam and were for once willing to portray us in a positive light as a result. Its always the same story with them: supporting one side, selling them out, and switching over to the other. Whatever suits their interests best. The same happens with donations to American politicians, they’ll fund both sides, just to ensure that they have influence. Don’t think theres any inherent love or brotherhood there.

Re the lives of the Saints & the Jews -- those Saints didn't live at a time after 6 million Jews were slaughtered en masse.
Of all your statements, this is the most embarrasing. You should seriously steer clear of theological commentary. Its an amazing claim that the experiences and teachings of all the Saints for 2000 years is absolutely useless with regards to the Jews purely because they haven’t experienced the holocaust. If this isn’t an example of the power they have over your mind I don’t know what is. You are prepared to at best ignore, at worst condemn, the teachings of the Holy fathers because it doesn’t coincide with your world view. Surely you should reconsider your world view in light of their teachings? But no, clearly the holocaust holds more religious significance to you, superceding all previous Christian teaching to establish the Jews as the eternally tormented, and eternally innocent.
Whatever you may think that the sins of the Jews are, they've paid for them, in spades. And should we pay for ours now?
Do you consider yourself to be God? You have weighed up the actions of millions of people over hundreds of years to personally declare that one event has absolved a people for eternity. You are telling me that the holocaust means they can do no wrong.

Again, I ask what good does an anti-Israel stance do for the Serbs? Because I can tell you what harm it does.
The greatest good for the Serbs is the same as for any other nation: To kneel before God, and embrace him. I don’t ask what good an anti-Israel stance will do for us, I ask what good will the truth do for us. Jesus said: ‘The truth shall set you free’, not ‘avoid telling the truth if it may have negative consequences on this earth from temporal enemies’.

And by the way, I am "blinded" by nothing. I stand in the same political place as Srdija Trifkovic, as Svetlana Novko, as Vjekoslav Radovic and the Serbs who actually get listened to, instead of dismissed as lunatics.

And why do they get listened to, only because they’ve watered down the truth so that it coincides with what it is acceptable to say in the current political climate. They rightly expose Islam, but completely fall short when it comes to explaining how all these millions of immigrants were ever allowed into our homelands in the first place. Yet again, it wasn’t some mistake on the part of the political elites, it was orchestrated deliberately.

I love Greeks as my own and Greece is one of my favorite places in the world. Greek-Americans, James & Stella Jatras couldn't be better friends to the Serbs, and I have never once heard them argue against Israel or the Jews -- so I can't imagine that this anti-Israel stance is characteristically Greek either!
You’re living in cloud-cuckoo land, Greeks on the whole, similar to Serbs do not have any sympathy for Israel at all.

11:03 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

@rednecktexan:
Are you suggesting Israel limits the rights of Muslims inside Israel to the same extent that a Muslim country, like say Saudi Arabia, limits the rights of Jews? What would happen if a Jew in Saudi Arabia tried to build a synagogue, or even walked down the street carrying an Israeli flag or star of david.....why are you only pointing out one side of the story?

Ive written an article on Israel so why would I have to comment on Saudi Arabia? If and when I write an article on Saudi Arabia then I’ll mention its faults. When I analyse these states I compare their modus operandi compared to MY ideals, not those of a third state. Hence I don’t need to examine immoral Israeli policies compared to Saudi Arabia. It’s a weak argument that just because you can come up with a more oppressive state than Israel that this somehow excuses Israel. The difference here I might add is that the Arabs can have whatever laws or customs they want in their land, I couldn’t care less. They are after all the indigenous population. The problem with Israel is that it is a Frankenstein state that has kicked out the native population and colonised its land. Then it expects the rest of the world to back it up and affirm ‘its right to exist’. Why should it have an inherent right to exist? It prides itself on being a ‘democracy’. This after its kicked out millions of people who wouldn’t approve of its apartheid regime.

Did you know that the US gives more money to Muslim Egypt than it does the entire rest of the African Continent? And that when you add up what the US gives Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon, the US actually gives as much aid to Israel's Arab Enemies as we do Israel. But you dont see the Jews blowing up our shit for supporting the Arabs do you?

Well doesn’t that tell you something? The US gives more money to one client state (Egypt), then the rest of the African continent combined. Despite being willing and able to launch wars the world over which run into costs of billions of pounds (not to mention the human costs), it cannot find the funds to give aid to those that really need it on the African continent. Instead it gives money only where its selfish interests are at stake. So all those military actions which it claims are based on ‘humanitarian’ concerns are clearly fought for selfish interests. For if someone could fight a multi-billion dollar war to prevent ethnic cleansing, you’d think that the aid money they give would go to those most in need, not those that are the most faithful puppets and servants. That’s how a moral state would act. The contradiction is there for all to see.

You forgot to mention that it was a European nation that helped Israel build the Dimona reactor....over the objections of the US.

Firstly it wasn’t one European nation that helped, it was multiple ones. It makes no difference whether it’s the puppets or their masters. You look at Europe and America as if theres some big divide. All are free market liberal democracies and you couldn’t put a cigarette paper between them. When America says jump, Britain asks how high. American objections to the press mean nothing. If press releases are indicative of secret policy, then by that logic Israel doesn’t even have nuclear weapons. Secondly you again tell me I ‘forgot to mention’ instead of addressing the issue. There are a million things that I could have mentioned but didn’t. The point is that I was highlighting another issue altogether. Namely that Israel bars weapon inspectors from its sites, and refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. This has been used as a reason by the US to attack people (indeed they now want to attack Iran for similar reasons), yet the US doesn’t even exert diplomatic or economic pressure on Israel. That’s called hypocricy and its called double standards, and it makes the issue of whether they were professing objections to the original building of the nuclear weopons a complete side issue to this point I was trying to make.

Look Dumbass, there is no doubt in any rational observer's mind that the Jews in Israel have exceeded the geographical limits of their mandate, and that they used terroristic methods to consolidate their gains. But lets not fuckin pretend the Poor innocent Muslims are any less guilty of attempting to exterminate the Jews than your European butt buddies were. Israel could...if they were as bloodthirsty as the Serbs...put down the Palestinian resistance in a fortnight. They have the capability to exterminate the Stinkin Pals.....but they show an amazing level of restraint....if the table were turned and the Pals had the capability, do you think they would show as much restraint?????

I love the way that you refer to invasion, subjugation and colonisation as ‘exceeding the geographical limits of their mandate’. Talk about Orwellian terminology. Firstly who gave them this mandate? It was a back hand deal in which imperialist occupiers of the land handed it over to the Jews even though they had no right to do that, because they never consulted any of the native population. Secondly if someone broke into your house and kicked you out into the garden, userping your property, colonising your home, and kept you fenced into the back garden, Id imagine you’d be pretty indignant and trying to recover everything you’d lost. As for your comment about ‘bloodthirsty’ Serbs you are clearly indoctrinated by the media machine even though you claim to be aware of its true sensationalist nature. Israel could clearly wipe out the resistance in a fortnight. Infact it could do it in 2 days by carpet bombing the area and killing every living being. Why don’t they? Because the rest of the world would be so shocked that the public opinion would limit any credibility or sympathy they have left. I wouldn’t call that restraint, I’d just call it a basic awareness that annihalating entire populations is not going to be in your long term interests.

I personally could give a shit about the Jews. In fact I am pissed off that their survival has become my problem.
But if I am forced to choose sides in the conflict....which side should I support.....the ones that are blowin my shit up and cutting my fellow American's heads off while screamin their Prophets name...or the ones that are not attacking me.....hmmm, thats a toughie.


Who has forced you to choose sides? Who has lied to you that you need to be involved in every conflict the world over? Why do you ‘have to’ choose sides? You are completely confused as to what conflict you are even referring to. What Americans have had their heads cut off in Israel? You are clearly referring to Iraq, a completely different conflict. Why are you actually surprised that when you bomb a country, occupy it, tell the people what form of government is good for them, tell them your companies must rebuild it, that the native people resist you? Why was that conflict even fought, what possible right did America have to invade Iraq? If it was over WMD’s (even assuming they were plain wrong, instead of lying) then the US should be invading Israel sometime soon. If it was for humanitarian reasons then the US should be invading half the known world. More hypocrisy and double standards.

You think I like being the World's Fuckin Policemen?
I don’t believe it. You appointed yourselves to this dictatorial position, and now you want sympathy as if you are doing other people a favour. Instead of asking yourself whether you like it, ask the rest of the world whether they like it.
If it was up to me I would have stood by and watched the Ethnic Cleansing continue in Kosovo....Hell I was enjoying it. But then you didn't stop when we told you to....and thats where you fucked up.

Again more media indoctrination showing through. I don’t even know why I discuss issues where moral judgement is required with you since you clearly view people being killed as some kind of entertainment for when you’re putting on a barbeque.

And you know man, when Wesley Clark can whip your ass....thats gotta be embarrassing.

The most embarrasing thing of all is your logic. So being pummeled into submission by the worlds most powerful army, is all down to one man. And since hes a wimp, by implication that means we must be even bigger wimps. Its all one big cartoon or caricature for you. You’re completely removed from reality.

Man, all I can tell you is that I hope your nationalist brethren who were brave enough to remain in Serbia and not run away and hide in the safety of Britain, conjure up the balls to fire up the ethic slaughter machine again.

You are completely incapable of using even those facts that you have at your disposal, so why you would now try to make assumptions about circumstances you know nothing about I don’t know. Im guessing you’re desperate. For your information I didn’t run and hide from safety, I was born here. My family fled after WW2 when our ‘allies’ gave free reign to the communists in my homeland. And it doesn’t take balls to slaughter people, your army did it from the comfort of their control panels in America when it came to bombing Serbia. What takes balls is to have a moral code and stick to it. Not go shooting off at the hip like some demonic and intoxicated imbecile. Its easy to be gung-ho and aggressive when you have all the latest technology at your disposal. You better pray it remains that way…. ‘He who lives by the sword dies by the sword’.

11:21 PM  
Blogger SerbBlog.com said...

Albanian Drug Trade in Europe Such poor people who want to keep their business running!

1:23 AM  
Blogger Hellenian said...

EZD, thank you for the kind words. They mean a lot to me and I greatly appreciate them.

SerbBlog, no one is denying that Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and Albanians played roles in vilifying Serbs. But that was to be expected since these peoples had been or were in armed conflicts with Serbs. Jews, on the other hand, were not in armed conflict with Serbs. Not only that but the hostility shown by Jews towards Serbs was disproportionate to the amount of money they received by anti-Serbian groups to cast Serbs in the light of genocidal maniacs. They went above and beyond the call of duty; it was personal.

The idea that it was the CompuSerb/Serbian Defense League website that destroyed your efforts to enlighten the Jews to the truth and did great harm to the Serbian cause is absurd. As I understand it, that website came into creation as a response to the Jewish propaganda onslaught, not as a precursor to it. It didn't result in any harm because the harm had already been in progress when it appeared. And why would it have caused any harm in the first place? You imply that such a website is "anti-Semitic" and that, because of that, truth-loving Jews would be repulsed by it and consequently ignore the Serbian position or even take an anti-Serbian position. But tell me, if a Serb had created a website detailing the Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, etc. role in crimes against Serbs, would a truth-loving Western European activist feel threatened by it and, consequently, refuse to help the Serbs? Of course not, such an individual would look at the website, recognize that his people had indeed played a major role in targeting Serbs, and done everything in his power to enlighten his people. But, from what you've said, it didn't have that effect on Jews -- a fact that demonstrates that they weren't very "truth-loving" in the first place.

Even the Jews you cite as being "some of the most effective and dedicatd supporters of Serbs" can hardly be regarded as "truth-loving". As far as I know, every single one you mentioned is a dedicated Zionist. Someone who defends the racist, terroristic, imperialistic, and genocidal actions of Israel is not a person who values justice before all else. Therefore, the reason these individuals are supporting the Serbian cause is only because it is in their interests to do so, not because they feel genuine sympathy for Serbs. I would not even be surprised if it turned out that some of those Jews were instructed to take a pro-Serbian position in order to advance Jewish interests. Think about it. As a result of the Jews' criminal role against the Serbs -- which not only resulted in the (ongoing) dismemberment of the Serbian nation, the international community's ongoing anti-Serbian bias and hostility, and the destruction of centuries-old sites of immense cultural and religious significance, but also resulted in the deaths and crippling of many innocent civilians, including the countless Serbs who have died prior to birth and the Serbs who have been born with severe birth defects due to the radiation caused by the depleted uranium bombs used against the Serbian population -- many Serbs have become more hostile to Jews than, arguably, at any other time in history. So while the Jews were successful in neutralizing the growing potential of the Serbian nation, they inadvertently caused harm to their national and global interests by playing a too obvious and too extreme role in the suffering of Serbs. Hence, the need for seemingly pro-Serbian Jewish activists to alleviate any anti-Jewish sentiments that justly resonate amongst the Serbian populace by playing the role of supporter of the Serbs.

It is also in the Jews' interests to exploit fears about Muslims in general because, aside from creating a generalized hostility towards them, it often creates support and sympathy for the Israeli side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, especially when Jews try to link their struggle against Muslims to other peoples' struggles. (However, the fact of the matter is that many Palestinians are Orthodox Christian and both Arab Orthodox Christians and non-Arab Orthodox Christians are greatly oppressed in Israel, both from the state and from common Jews; the destruction of Orthodox Christian holy sites, including Eastern Roman-era ones, by the Jewish state, and attacks on Orthodox clergy by Jewish soldiers and everyday Jews, is sadly suppressed most of the time, but such incidents only represent a few examples of the anti-Christian reality that is Israel.) By utilizing this tactic of playing both sides, the Jews are able to neutralize both enemies (i.e. their Orthodox Christian enemies and their Muslim enemies) and, in the end, they are the only side that triumphs or makes any sort of gain.

Unfortunately, some Serbs have fallen victim to this strategy. Svetlana Novko of the Byzantine Sacred Art Blog, who you previously mentioned, is one such example of this. Because a single Jewish writer is supporting the Serbian position, she is ready to completely ignore the Jews' despicable role againt her nation. Not only that, but she goes further to actually promote the writings of the said Jewess with a link on her weblog that is incredulously titled "My Jewish Sister"! (I seriously doubt that, had a Western European writer written a few articles supporting the Serbian position that she would have created a link reading "My Dutch Sister" or "My German Sister" or "My French Sister" but, since a Jew is doing it, special praise must apparently be given, irrespective of collective Jewish actions against the Serbian people.) So, while Jews are bulldozing Byzantine churches, she is championing their cause because of some token support they threw her way. Token support that will never amount to anything substantial because it's not supposed to. Tell me, who is the real winner here: the Serbian side which is ignoring every crime the Jews committed against them so that they can receive a handful of seemingly pro-Serb Jewish activists or the Jews who, after neutralizing the Serbs, have convinced them that it is in their best interests to ignore the Jewish complicity in their suffering so that they can work together to neutralize the Muslims?

In the end, no matter how fanatically Serbs support Israel and International Jewry, they will never receive an equal amount of support from Jews. Jews have no more intention of seeing the emergence of a powerful Orthodox Christian state than they do of a powerful Islamic state. This is why Jewish support only arrived after Serbia had been reduced to a powerless country -- so that any potential gains from that support would be insubstantial. The fact that Serbia has not been the first, or the last, traditionally Orthodox Christian state that has been targeted by International Jewry demonstrates that Jews view the Orthodox as enemies. This is why the American Committee for Peace, which has many prominent Jewish members and is linked to the Zionist-dominated Project for the New American Century, consistantly defends terrorist actions by Muslim Chechens against Russia.

The notion that Jews have been absolved for all of their criminal actions throughout history because of a genocide that allegedly took place against them, and that this suffering renders the teachings of the Church obsolete, has no theological basis whatsoever and is very offensive to Orthodox Christians. Furthermore, all evidence of a systematic genocide against European Jewry by the Germans is based entirely on circumstantial evidence. There is no conclusive evidence that Jews were the victims of genocide, let alone that six million of them were killed systematically in such a genocide. Many reputable historians have cast many of the Jewish claims in a dubious light, resulting in legislature in many European countries banning historians from questioning any aspect of Jewish suffering during the Second World War on threat of imprisonment. Yet any other historical event in these same countries is open to debate. The reason for this double standard is because modern Jewish power, and the legitimacy of Israel, rests on the sacrosanctity of the so-called "Holocaust".

Finally, you asked, "what good does an anti-Israel stance do for the Serbs"? My answer is that the only stance that Serbs should take is one that is pro-Serbian and pro-Orthodox Christian. If this places Serbia in conflict with Israel over their actions against fellow Orthodox Christians, then so be it; if this places Serbia in conflict with International Jewry over their anti-Serbian actions, then so be it. But, under no circumstances, should Serbs relinquish their sovereignty and their honor in the hopes of placating enemies and dubious friends. The enemies of Serbia and of Orthodoxy, regardless of what guise they masquerade in, will not be appeased by subservience. True, they may not bomb a subservient satellite state, but they will find other, far more insidious, means to destroy it; means that the Serbian people may not even realize are hostile until it is too late to do anything about it. And that is the true danger.

4:48 AM  
Anonymous EZD said...

Hellenian,you just cant stop churning out the good stuff can you!
If most Serbs (and Greeks for that matter) were as enlightened and passionate about the truth as you cleary demonstrated you are, then, south-eastern europe would not be in the state its currently in and thats for damn sure.
Once again,much praise for this response and i urge you for the sake of Chrstian values and of mankind no less, dont ever stop this information flow.
May God bless you and i pray for you and for all who seek the truth because its the truth ye shall find.

12:43 PM  
Blogger Lana said...

No, I would not have written "My Dutch Sister" or "My French Sister", as I didn't write "My American Sister" either, because:

a) "Dutch", "French", "Greek" (unless they are "Hellenian" - what on earth does that mean?! A pagan?), are supposedly Christian and therefore supposed to be my brothers and sisters anyway;

b) if most of my supposedly Christian sisters would bother half as much my Jewish Sister does in tirelessly fighting for the Serbs, instead of worrying about their hair and nails most of their waking hours, I wouldn't need to single FOUR women out of few billion, one of which is Jewish, who deserve to get a link because of their courageous stand regarding Christian Serbs.

Nor would I need to spend 8 hours a day in front of my computer, because my "Christian" Sisters would have helped out and taken some of the burden upon their fair shoulders, instead of killing one Lord's day after another with the latest Hollywood gossip and dedicating gigabytes of cyberspace to their honorable butts and spectacular egos.

One look at the vast blogosphere universe will show you how well my "Christian" sisters are really doing - from Belgrade and Athens to Tokyo and Paris: unless you have some shopping to do, or need to dig out who slept with whom yesterday, don't even bother.

It has nothing to do with "watering down the truth" - what an offensive, ridiculous thing to say! I only give credit where it's due, regardless of the truth-speaker's background, skin color or belief, and in accordance with the words of the Holy Apostle Paul: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female..."

You'd do well to try it too sometime, and stop wasting your time on this racist bilge. Or did you enjoy it when your "Finnish Brother" Ahtisaari told you Serbs are "guilty as people"? 'Cause you're doing exactly the same.

1:05 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

You cannot deny that when you use the term 'Jewish sister' you are implying if not a spiritual connection, then some kind of bond through righteous suffering. Its the kind of nauseating sucking up that Serbs do when they're desperate for allies. And who better to suck up to than the Jews in the hope that they're legendary status as eternal victims might rub off on us, and that people may start to view us in similar light. Your quote from the apostle Paul (about there being no Greek, Roman or Jew), is completely empty since you are clearly latching on to your 'sisters' Jewishness for propaganda purposes.
You seem incapable of comparing like for like. You would rather rubbish Christian women the world over and contrast them with one Jew who is to your liking. You wouldnt even think of doing the reverse. You have lost all objectivity in your desperation to seek allies at any cost.
It may sound surprising, but on the whole I think you do a good job with your blog, just as Serb blog does. But its when you get self-righteous and start trying to dictate terms to other Serbs, telling them that they should see reality and act in exactly the same way as you that you overstep the mark. You cant accept that I dont have exactly the same opinion as you regarding a certain ethnic group that has played an instrumental role in world geopolitics, and the Balkans breakup in particular. You call me a racist, but you are the one who is discriminating, wanting to eliminate dissenting points of view. Both you and Serb blog come on here slinging your slurs considering yourselves to be some kind of holier than thou public relations experts.
In my eyes you are most definitely watering down the truth. You are willing to disregard the immense role of the Jewish lobby in baying for our blood, in exchange for some meaningless alliance of convenience. Thats your prerogative, but dont tell me what to do.
And you cannot deny that it is an alliance of convenience, not one based on common values and a love of the truth. Why otherwise would a lover of the truth take such exception to injustices commited by the state of Israel, and be willing to brush over them in order not to offend someone. True friends dont mind being criticised, and truth-lovers arent incensed when truth sees the light of day. Once again, you are just another in a long line of people who slings the word racist around, but ignores the core issue that was being discussed. Not one mention of it.

5:21 PM  
Blogger SerbBlog.com said...

Actually, Nikola, the only reason that I (or I assume Svetlana) even bothered is because the rest of your blog seemed intelligent and well put together. And no one is "telling you want to do" -- a blog is just that -- your thing. But your dedication the Palestinian cause seems greater your dedication the Serb one, because the Palestinians are the ones most benefiting from it, while the Serbs have wound up on the losing end.

I am done.

Melana

7:15 PM  
Anonymous EZD said...

Serb blog,what do you mean 'the palestinians are most benefiting from it'?benefiting from what?
The only thing the Palestinians are benefiting from right now is viewpoints like Nikola`s while everything else is working against them.
The core global issue is precisely to expose jewish injustices not only in Israel but globally.World politics are interconnected just like the human body,and the problem starts with jewry.thats really no secret.

8:39 PM  
Blogger Nikola said...

@Melina (Serbblog):
You've left a multitude of my questions unanswered. Thats your decision and thats fine. But theres one that I demand an answer on. It is the one relating to St.Nikolaj. After implying he did not write a certain book, can you clarify which one, and provide the evidence? Id go as far as saying that I think it would be immoral to leave that question up in the air after making the statements you did.

10:47 PM  
Blogger Hellenic Nationalist said...

I was trying to put together a strong comment to counter the comments by the pro-Jews here, especially to the pro-Jew nominal-Orthodox Christian commentators here who foolishly offer futile support to Jewry .

The superb comments and analysis offered here by Nikola and Hellenian have already worked on presenting truth in regards to Jews and their diabolical designs.

Thank you Hellenian and Nikola, you have both done a great job at exposing the Traditional Enemies of the TRUTH.

12:39 AM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

Nikola,

I wouldn't have spent one second on your blog to tell you that your entry is a racist bilge, equal to Ahtisaari's racist bilge, if you weren't Serbian Orthodox.

If I understand correctly, you are accusing me of "sucking up to Jews" because I refer to Julia Gorin as my Jewish Sister and you also seem to be accusing me of "telling the rest of you" what to do.

I do not feel the need to explain to you or to anyone else why I think of Julia as of my Jewish Sister or, to be precise, as of my Jewish twin, nor do I believe I should justify my relations with other people to just about anyone who is raging against them. You may like it or lump it, I don't give a rat's ass as to what you think about me, my blog or my Jewish Sister.

Apart from that, if you manage to find me ONE Muslim "sister" who writes the way Julia does about Serbs and their plight everywhere where she has access and I don't (i.e. al-Jazeera, al-This, ul-em-That and so on), I promise to give her the link right next to Julia's that will read: My Muslim Sister. And you should feel free to tell me later on that I'm sucking up to the entire Muslim population - that'll be perfectly alright with me too.

Personally, I love a Serbian trait that makes them want to identify and extend compassion to the underdog in every situation. But while you're shedding tears for "Palestinians" and other Arab Muslims, you should know that "Palestinians" (i.e. Arab "Kosovars") jumped at the occasion to cut some Serbian heads in Bosnia and were part of al-Muhahedeen unit in Bosnia, as were Afghanis, Iranians, etc. and as were Iraqi and Turkish Kurds (they had their separate, Kurdish unit within Bosnian Muslim "army" of butchers) over which Serbs have cried their eyes out at some point.

At the same time, Ariel Sharon and the state of Israel was arming and aiding Serbian side during both the war in Bosnia 1992-1995 and Kosovo war few years later, in the midst of the most severe sanctions and the greatest uproar against the Serbs.

Unlike Israel, Greek state was part of U.S. led-NATO that viciously bombed Serbia in 1999 and it stayed until the bitter end, making sure they don't "hurt" the cherished alliance in any way, regardless of what happens with Serbia. Their government is wishy-washy even today, when they don't want to say anything that could be misconstrued as Greece "falling out of step" with the rest of the EU.

Russian Federation screwed us up to high heaven and, instead of helping their Slavic and Orthodox brothers and sisters, has sent their "envoy", along with Ahtisaari-the-Nazi to bend Milosevic's arm and make him sign the Kumanovo agreement or be carpet-bombed and obliterated from the world's map.

So, should we hate Greeks and Russians because of that? God forbid! But do I adore every single Greek and every single Russian (including Yeltsin) merely because they happen to be Greek and Russian? That's not how it works with me either. As far as I'm concerned, right now when the ground underneath Serbian feet is burning, the only thing that counts is WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY! What are you saying/doing/writing now to help us out. If no one else, the Serbs should have learned by now how short-lived, flimsy and abstract certain "alliances" really are - our friends are now counted by the first and last name only, from all over the world. Julia is one of the best ones, regardless of what you think and I find the fact that a "hellenian" or whichever person that commented under this entry of yours is so brazen to question the "motives" of everyone who's helping Serbs today entirely despicable. What has a Hellenian done/said/written to help his Serbian Orthodox brothers and sisters today?! Apart from mocking and denouncing those who do help, and apart from pouring more oil into the fire and patting you on the back for barfing racist statements into the world, he or she has done... what? Some friend indeed!

Secondly, if you feel I'm telling you what to do on my blog, stop visiting and reading. If you feel I'm telling you what to do in the previous and this comment under your racist entry on your blog, delete my comments and I'll stay away from your speck of cyberspace too.

I would probably have never learned about your blog anyway if it wasn't for my built-in "referrers" piece of JavaScript which informed someone from this address ended up on my blog, so I clicked the link to see what "Victory or Death" stands for. That's all.

12:47 AM  
Blogger Hellenic Nationalist said...

Svetlana,

I will pray for you, you are truly a brainwashed person, brainwashed by Jews.

I feel sorry for you, because even though the evidence stares you in the face, even though you cannot refute points made by Hellenian and by Nikola and instead resort to ad-mohinen personal swipes exposing your weak pro-Jewish stance, you still stand with the "people" who agitated for the bombing and occupation and villification of your people.

1:51 AM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

Hellenic Nationalist,

lest you want to make me think you're talking out of your ass and are merely another pathetic racist who has no arguments to justify his/her ignorance, pray tell me - which of my statements is incorrect? Keep in mind I can document absolutely everything I said (unlike yourself).

You are contributing in no way, you have nothing to say, you obviously just enjoy pitting Serbs against the rest of the world, while using them to promote your own cause - "Hellenism" and other such nonsense.

BTW, are you going to pray to Apollo, Zeus or Aphrodite after this?

2:11 AM  
Blogger Hellenic Nationalist said...

For a person alleging to be an orthodox christian icon painter I am saddened to see you resort to vulgar and profane language against an Orthodox Christian (me,Hellenic Nationalist)in order to defend Christ-killers.

Your claim that "Ariel Sharon and the state of Israel was arming and aiding Serbian side during both the war in Bosnia 1992-1995 and Kosovo war few years later, in the midst of the most severe sanctions and the greatest uproar against the Serbs." is an example of skewed truth, so extreme that I am even begining to suspect that you are simply a Jew, masquerading as a Serbian icon painter. True, Jewish-israeli arms dealers and other such businessmen made money selling arms to Serbs, a lot of Greek businessman did too, not that they were doing it for some sort of heroic moral crusade, they'll sell to anyone who's buying at the right pri$e! Jewish-israeli arms dealers are also notorious for arming cocaine warlords ,for instance, they also peddle former Eastern Bloc weaponery to the likes of the KLA and other criminal operations.

Can you cite one instance JUST ONE where an Israeli-Jewish leader on the level of this Ariel SHAron, and not some obscure ZIONIST LIKE Jared Israel etc, that you cite came out and defended the Serbs in a public forum ,like the UN or in the US Capitol, from the demomic charges of "genocide" agitated by and generated by the MAJOR JEWISH AMERICAN ORGANIZATIONS! ALL OF which were named here, by Hellenian and covered by Nikola. Where is the evidence of real official support from Israel?

What do you make of the anti-Christian violence and persecution by the current Israeli state and by common place Jews cited by Hellenian? He cited evidence , what do you have to say about it? Nothing , of course. You simply label him and me with absurd tags.Just like a Jew....

3:13 AM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

What else will a fascist in heart say, but accuse someone with Jewish friends of being a Jew too?! They think it's a kind of an "argument" (for the lack of a better word) and the worst "insult" they can come up with.

I don't know anything about you - not even your name! - I don't know who you are, nor in what way exactly are you a friend to Serbian people (other than being "Hellenic", as if it's some kind of a supreme virtue one can hardly acquire within a single lifetime, or a first degree of "Arianism"). Personally, I think you're an idiot, but I don't want to say more in order not to offend Greeks who are REAL Serbian friends, such as Stella and Jim Jatras (who'd probably blush for you, since you don't seem to be capable of feeling ashamed of yourself).

I said to Nikola everything I had to say. I addressed him as brother in Christ, and as another ex-pat, because I believe he does love the nation and the Church he belongs to, that he really wants to help, and that he is being manipulated by the malicious "hellenians" such as yourself, who are abusing their "Greeks-are-our-friends" honorary status and pushing him into the wrong battles of their own choice.

Brate Nikola, ako zelis sa mnom da razgovaras o bilo cemu, bilo kad, slobodno mi se obrati na imejl adresu veb sajta. Oprosti ako sam te na bilo koji nacin uvredila, to mi ni jednog trenutka nije bila namera. Od mene ti je sve prosto, ja se ne ljutim i ne vredjam i samo zelim da pomognem svom rodu i otecestvu isto kao i ti. Moje je licno misljenje da imas nekoliko nedobronamernih prijatelja ovde, ali ti sam presudi ko pomaze i kako. Ja se vise necu javljati na tvom blogu.

Svako dobro od Gospoda,
Svetlana

3:59 AM  
Blogger Hellenic Nationalist said...

LETS see if svetlana's blog publishes one source about the heavy Jewish hand in her latest blog entry about the breakup of Yugoslavia, I just added the following as a comment to her blog,will she defend Serbia dnd truth, OR her "jewish friend" ? I highly doubt she will publish it:


http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/10923/edition_id/209/format/html/displaystory.html


Friday April 2, 1999

Jews back Kosovo attack, citing Holocaust

DANIEL KURTZMAN
Jewish Telegraphic Agency

WASHINGTON -- When President Clinton seized on the lessons of two world wars and the Holocaust to make his case for military intervention in Kosovo, he echoed an argument that many survivors have made themselves.

Clinton invoked both the appeasement of Hitler and the Allies' failure to act sooner in World War II in explaining the rationale behind the NATO bombings. The raids are aimed at forcing Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to halt attacks on ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.

"Just imagine if leaders back then had acted wisely and early enough, how many lives could have been saved? How many Americans would not have had to die?" Clinton said in a nationally televised address Wednesday of last week amid the first wave against Serb targets in Yugoslavia.

For American Jewish groups and Holocaust survivors, the moral imperative to end Serb atrocities against the ethnic Albanians is clear.

"We must come to the defense of defenseless victims," Nobel laureate and survivor Elie Wiesel said, expressing his full support for the NATO action.

"We cannot allow people like Milosevic to go on killing men and women and children. We should have done it earlier, but it's not too late."

Although they may avoid direct comparisons between the atrocities committed by Serbia against ethnic Albanians with the Nazis' systematic extermination of 6 million Jews, Holocaust survivors and scholars say the Jewish experience and the lessons of the Holocaust help to shed light on what is at issue in Kosovo.

"I don't like to compare anything to what we have been through, but if the world had reacted then the way we are reacting now, many tragedies would have been prevented," Wiesel said.

Hyman Bookbinder, a longtime Jewish activist in Washington and a member of the Committee on Conscience of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, agreed.

"As Jews we dare not be indifferent to mass tortures like we've been seeing here," he said.

The organized Jewish community has also declared unwavering support for U.S. intervention in Kosovo.

The Jewish Council for Public Affairs, an umbrella group representing national Jewish organizations and local Jewish communities, expressed its hope that the action would pave the way for a diplomatic solution to the conflict.

It said, too, that it would urge local community relations councils to help build support for the action at the grassroots level.

The Jewish War Veterans of America, never an organization to take lightly the commitment of U.S. troops abroad, expressed support for the air strikes but made clear it would oppose any commitment of ground forces into a "civil war in a sovereign nation."

Said Bob Zweiman, past national commander and international liaisons officer for the group: "We should get in and get out as soon as possible and we should have a firm exit strategy."

Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, said that if Jews remain silent in the face of atrocities committed against other ethnic or religious populations, "we will lose all our credibility. Otherwise, people will say Jews only cry when Jewish blood is spilled."

At least one Holocaust scholar feels an important lesson of the Shoah was being ignored as NATO carried out the biggest allied military assault in Europe since World War II.

Deborah Dwork, director of the Center for Holocaust Studies at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., said she was troubled that there had not been a greater response to the humanitarian needs of the tens of thousands of refugees on the borders of Kosovo.

Focusing solely on military action against the Serbs as a means of addressing the Kosovars' plight, she said, was tantamount to the argument the Allies made in World War II that the best way to rescue Jews was to win the war.

"We don't think so highly of that rationale," Dwork said. In addition to the bombing campaign, she added, a simultaneous focus on humanitarian assistance is needed because "I don't know whether this military intervention will ameliorate the lot of those individual people."

Discussing the Kosovo situation, the Clinton administration made clear that it was well acquainted with the lessons of World War II and the Holocaust, summoning images of Nazism and referring to "genocide in the heart of Europe."

As Secretary of State Madeleine Albright emphasized in an interview on PBS' "The Newshour with Jim Lehrer," blood has been spilled before on the European continent because "free people did not understand well enough how to stop tyranny and evil and ethnic cleansing and genocide early enough."

Albright, who discovered in 1997 that her grandparents died in the Holocaust, said, "We now have an opportunity to gather together the lessons of the 20th century and stop this before it totally spins out of control."

4:51 AM  
Blogger Hellenian said...

EZD, thanks again for the praise. I believe that we, as Orthodox Christian nationalists, have an obligation to enlighten our countrymen and our co-religionists. Working for the advancement of our national interests is imperative but the fact remains that if we don't address and eliminate the domestic problems and internal threats that nothing will come of any gains we may have made regarding national issues. Therefore, the refinement of national-patriotic views is of paramount importance. It is my hope that whenever I write something of substance that it may have the effect of inducing like-minded individuals to re-evaluate some of their, perhaps, misguided views or result in a debate that may help me refine my own views. If even a single person can be influenced in such a way, we have accomplished something great. And, as I said, we are obligated to work towards this goal of enlightening others -- and ourselves -- of the truth. Because only with the truth will we gain valuable insight regarding the proper path we need to take as a nation. Unfortunately, some individuals (as the comments in this weblog entry demonstrate) don't like to debate or learn and, instead, prefer to delude themselves with fictions that don't challenge their precarious fantasy world. Which is quite sad.

Hellenic Nationalist, thank you also for your very kind words. As always, your contributions to the discussion have been of a high caliber and I enjoyed reading them.

Svetlana/Lana (whatever you prefer most), the word "Hellenian" is another (albeit much more obscure) term for "Hellene", which you probably know means "Greek". Greeks do not refer to themselves as "Greeks" in the Greek language, but as either "Hellenes" or "Romioi" (which is translated into English probably as "Romaic" and comes from the word "Roman"). In the English language, one can use the terms "Hellene" and "Hellenian" much in the same way one can use the terms "Serb" and "Serbian". I don't know why you'd assume that the word was a term for "pagan" given that my comments have all been staunchly Orthodox but, then again, there is apparently a lot about your beliefs that are strange, to say the least.

I'm not sure why you'd include Greeks in the same category as the Dutch, French, and other Western Europeans (which is quite offensive, I might add) but, if you were expecting me to defend your attack on Greek females, don't count on it. I don't have any reason whatsoever to defend women who, in general, have gone from self-respecting beauteous and innocent creatures, uncorrupted by sexual evils, to highly promiscuous "independent" women or women who abort between 200,000-500,000 Greeks on an annual basis. I will, however, defend Greeks in general by saying that true Hellenes (i.e., genuine Orthodox Christian Hellenic nationalists) have done a lot for Serbs, arguably more than any other people, and have established Greek-Serbian brotherhood as an undeniable fact. These are the only Greeks who matter and they have shed blood for Serbian causes.

The Dutch, French, Americans, and other Westerners are not fellow Christians and it is, therefore, extremely erroneous to believe that they are supposed to be allies, let alone brothers. (But, if you believe that a Jewess can be your... sister, then such completely un-Orthodox views should not be surprising in any way.) Traditionally, Westerners have been either Papists (i.e., so-called "Roman Catholics") or Protestants. In other words, either heretics or the heretics of heretics. Not surprisingly, their dark religions have led them into secularism and atheism in the present day. Despite the fact that Orthodox Christian ecclesiology is extremely clear on the fact that Orthodoxy is exclusively the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, you seem to be unaware of this -- even though you are a self-declared iconographer. (However, sadly it seems that nowadays almost anyone can become an iconographer.) Those of other religions who call themselves "Christians" (i.e., the heterodox) are not genuine Christians because their teachings and beliefs are distorted and their sacraments are, of course, invalid. It also bears mentioning that the Latin and Frankish crimes against Orthodoxy, in many cases, exceeded the crimes of the Turks.

Your dismissal of this weblog, which many (me included) find to be extremely intellectual, as "racist bilge" is typical of one in your position. Oftentimes, when an individual is on the losing side of an argument they will make a last-ditch effort to malign their adversary with abuse, vulgarity, and ad hominem attacks while ignoring all of his arguments. So far, you have made ad hominem attacks against Nikola, Hellenic Nationalist, and myself even though everyone has afforded you the utmost respect. Language such as "I don't give a rat's ass as to what you think about me" and "you're talking out of your ass" is uncalled for in an atmosphere of intellectual discourse. (And, rather than benefit you, such emotional responses only result in hurting your -- already flimsy -- position even more.) Moreover, this is extremely inappropriate behavior for an iconographer and I have to personally wonder if you are in the right spiritual state to be painting icons in the first place. In any case, if you want to continue this debate, I kindly ask that you compose yourself a bit.

That said, I'd like to address some of your points (even though you have not addressed a single one I've made), especially since, after making some rather wild claims, you say you "can document absolutely everything" you said. Hellenic Nationalist already covered the Israeli arms dealing angle but, since you compare those Israeli actions (even if they were motivated by greed) to Greek actions, I want to make you aware that, according to the Library of Congress Federal Research Division, "food, oil, and arms were reported moving from Greece into Serbia in violation of the UN embargo". You go on to ludicrously claim that Greece was part of the NATO-bombing campaign (!) even though it would not be an exaggeration to state that every single Serb on the planet knows that this is false. Greece refused to take part in the bombing, refused to allow NATO to use Greek airspace to bomb Yugoslavia (even though both Bulgaria and Vardarska allowed NATO to use their airspace), and refused to allow NATO to refuel its jets and bombers on Greek airbases. And this was not the first time either. The Library of Congress report on Greece continues with the following description of events: "Before, during, and after its 1994 presidency of the EU, Greece was the only EU nation to back the Serbian position that Serbian forces had entered Bosnian territory in response to Bosnian provocations. In early 1994, Greece incurred the displeasure of its European allies by voting against NATO air strikes on Serbian positions. Greece also refused the use of its NATO air bases at Preveza on the Ionian Sea for such attacks and refused to supply Greek troops to the UN peacekeeping mission in Bosnia". Regarding Bosnia, it's also worth mentioning that the Greek intelligence service systematically sabotaged NATO operations in Kosovo in the mid-1990s, in an attempt to aid Bosnian Serbs, according to a report by University of Amsterdam professor C. Wiebes addressed to the Dutch government. Due to the fact that the Greek intelligence service was leaking classified NATO military plans to the Bosnian Serbs, NATO was forced to actually cease sharing NATO military plans with Greece. Greek organizations also made efforts to bring charges against NATO leaders before the Greek Bar and the Hague International Court for NATO's aggression and the many civilian casualities that NATO was responsible for. The truth is, I could go on and on listing the vast amount, and various types, of support that Greeks, from all sectors (i.e., public, private, state, Church), gave to their Serb brothers but all of this information is already out there for anyone who is willing to see it.

That said, I find it very suspicious that you are trying to discredit Serbia's two greatest allies -- Greece and Russia -- with these rather feeble, and easily refutable, allegations. Especially when both of these countries are still supporting Serbia. But it lends credence to my assertion regarding the double-edged sword of Jewish support that Serbs are receiving. I really wouldn't be surprised if your "Jewish twin" was putting anti-Greek and anti-Russian ideas in your head. After all, the Jews don't want a united Orthodox Christian front. By artificially distancing Serbia from the country's traditional allies, it helps weaken not only Serbia but all three nations.

The other possibility is that you are simply spiteful and are knowingly feeding misinformation because of some sort of personal bias that you may have against Russians, and especially Greeks. I'd rather not speculate as to what may have caused that, if indeed that is the case. The fact that you regard Hellenism as "nonsense" is especially perplexing, however. After all, according to Former Vice-President of Republika Srpska Dragan Dragic, Serbs' roots stem from Hellenic civilization and the two peoples are united through Orthodoxy.

In any case, any attempts to undermine the great friendship between Greeks and Serbs is doomed to failure because the Serbs that matter, the genuine Serbian Orthodox Christian nationalists (e.g. Radovan Karadzic, Vojislav Kostunica, Vladislav Jovanovic, Patriarch Palve, Bishop Nicolas of Sarajevo, etc.), have all expressed sentiments that re-inforce and strengthen Greek-Serbian brotherhood. And that's all I care about. Because these are the people who truly represent Serbia.

4:57 AM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

Hellenian,

risking to have you "composing me" again (you can talk to me, but please make an effort not to patronize me, as I find it rather insulting), I must say that "Serbs' roots stem from Hellenic civilization" is one of the most ridiculous theories about the "Serbian roots" I've heard thus far. Serbs are a Slavic nation, not a "Hellenic" one.

I don't have time to address your rather long-winded post point by point and, again, my purpose for commenting here was not to talk to you and other "Hellenians", but to speak to blog owner and author of the entry about Israel, Nikola.

In short:
1. I have never said Nikola's entire blog is racist, I have said his ENTRY about Israel, under which I posted comments is, in my opinion, a racist bilge. And I still think exactly that, regardless of how high your regard for this particular entry of his may be.

2. My point about Greek state remaining a member of NATO alliance throughout 78 days of bombardment and Yeltsin's betrayal of Serbs was not to denounce either the entire Greek or entire Russian nation. If you go back to read what I really wrote, you'll find I have never blamed either of those two nations because of the behavior of their governments at the time. Do not try to put words in my mouth.

3. The second most important point I keep trying to make here, but it keeps falling on deaf ears every single time is that one of the most painful lessons I have learned during the past 17 years regarding "friends" and "enemies" is that each of them has its own first and last name, like this: Vladimir Putin is a GREAT friend, so is Stella Jatras, so is Julia Gorin and so is a British MP David Wilshire, for example. Madeleine Albright is a scum of the earth, and so is Bill Clinton, Wesley Clark, Joseph Biden, and Richard Holbrooke, among others. Who among them happens to be an American, Protestant, Jewish, Orthodox Christian, black, white, yellow, Irish or Greek MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER in MY struggle for full truth about the preceding wars and Serbian plight and the actual justice that will treat all sides - Croat, Muslim and Serbian - equally.

Instead of making an effort to understand such a plain, easy to comprehend statement, you choose to beat me over the head for not saying: Greeks are friends and Jews are enemies.

I'll never say that, because it's not true: not ALL Greeks love and try to help their Serbian Orthodox brothers and not ALL Jews hate and want to destroy Serbian nation. It simply is not true.

4. Funny you should mention His Holiness, Patriarch Pavle - it is he that teaches us, members of the Serbian Orthodox Church that ALL MEN ARE OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. They are not all our brothers and sisters IN CHRIST, but they are all our brothers and sisters. We cannot pray or commune with most of them, we are not allowed to pray with anyone who is outside of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, but according to His Holiness Pavle, we are not allowed to call ourselves Christians if we hate any nation or confession. We are not allowed to hate or to judge - at all. It is precisely Patriarch Pavle that is constantly imploring us to be brothers to others and NEVER TO OFFEND ANY NATION or any people. THAT is true Church, fascism and racism is not my "church" and not the faith I've been brought up in. And I'm proud of that.

5. Finally, yes! Greeks have been and are helping A LOT and so are Russians. But instead of blaming the Jewish people for all of the wounds on Christ's Church, if you want to be honest, you should assign some of the blame more properly to the masonic Athenagoras who ripped the Christ's riza apart when he forced most of the Sister Churches (all except Russian, Serbian and Jerusalem Church) to adopt the satanic papist calendar, and reject the Julian one. I'm sure you're fully aware of the problems this has caused within Greek Orthodox Church alone, and within the entire Church as well. Thanks to Athenagoras who wanted to become another pope (and Bartholomew seems to be following in his footsteps very closely) we cannot even celebrate our greatest Holiday - Pascha - with our Greek brothers and sisters in Christ, because by the time you are celebrating we are still fasting. Because you are celebrating Pascha along with papists, not with your Serbian, Russian and Jerusalem-Church brothers and sisters in Christ.

My main point here is: not everything is black and white, there are many shades of gray and you are deeply mistaken if you think that forcing a black-and-white picture of the world upon others is some kind of "intellectual discourse". There's nothing intellectual about racism of any kind, be it anti-Serbian, anti-Jewish or anti-anyone in general.

That is my view and now I'm really done here.

6:00 AM  
Blogger Hellenian said...

Svetlana,

The statement about Serbian civilization being based on Hellenic civilization were made, as I said, by Dragan Dragic, the former vice-president of Republika Srpska. What does Serbs being a Slavic nation have to do with the question? Absolutely nothing. "Slavic" is a linguistic identifier more than anything else. This is about cultural influence and cultural diffusion. Furthermore, if you had actually studied medieval Serbian and Eastern Slavic history, instead of acting like some sort of authority on the matter, you would have known that many Eastern Roman (i.e. so-called "Byzantine") historians of both Slavic and non-Slavic descent (such as Obolensky, Vasiliev, Ostrogorski, and others) maintain that Eastern Roman civilization played a major role in shaping Eastern Slavic civilizations, like Russian, Bulgarian, and Serbian. The greatest Serbian tsar, Stephan Dusan, for example viewed himself as the successor of the Byzantine emperors, wrote and signed his charters in Greek, made Greek an official language of his empire, proclaimed himself "Emperor of Serbs and Greeks", and sought to create a Serbian-Byzantine Empire.

I don't appreciate you "switching goal posts", so to speak (i.e. stating one thing and, after it is disproven, trying to make it seem like you stated something entirely different). I'll accept that you may have only viewed this entry as "racist" rather than the entire weblog but, based on your own words, it is clear you cited Greece as "part of U.S. led-NATO that viciously bombed Serbia" (your own words quoted). After all, if Greece had been part of NATO -- but not taken part in the bombings, not helped in any way whatsoever, and possibly used their role as a NATO-member to sabotage NATO as they had previously done in regards to Bosnia -- how would that have been something worthy of denouncing? It would not have. Therefore, it is clear you mean to denounce Greece because you believed (or wanted others to believe) that the country had taken part in crimes against Yugoslavia.

Your accusations that I am beating you over the head "for not saying: Greeks are friends and Jews are enemies" is baseless. You know very well that, before your arrival here, that I never made a single reference to Greek-Serbian friendship. Nor did any Greek posters. In fact, it was you who raised this question in the first place, along with the Russian question, and I simply responded to those allegations because they were clearly propagandistic attempts to misinform. Before you arrived, the debate was solely about Jewish crimes against Serbia. In a sense, you hijacked the debate and turned it into a debate about Greeks, Russians, and others because you could not successfully debate the Jewish question.

When Patriarch Pavle said "The Greeks have always been friends of our people", he did not mean it in a generic, "everyone on this earth is a brother" sense. The fact that this was said in a Greek audience, at a time when Greeks were giving massive aid to Serbs, and that he also stated "May the traditional Greek–Serbian friendship flourish!" indicates otherwise.

Your claims regarding the Revised Julian Calendar (i.e. the New Calendar) are extremely erroneous. Athenagoras did not force any Church to accept the Revised Julian Calendar. How could he? He didn't even have the power to do so in the first place. The fact of the matter is that there was no Ecumenical Synod to be able to force any sort of decision, no matter what the outcome. Instead, an "Inter-Orthodox Congress" was convened at Constantinople by the then Ecumenical Patriarch, Meletios IV (not by Athenagoras). Of all the issues discussed (including the calendar issue), no unanimous agreement was reached on any of them. Some Churches -- such as the Churches of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Poland, and Bulgaria -- eventually decided to accept the Revised Julian Calendar while others -- such as the Churches of Jerusalem, Russia, and Serbia, along with the monasteries on Mt. Athos -- decided to retain the original Julian. No one was forced into anything since these decisions were all made by each individual Church and at different times.

The claim that the Revised Julian Calendar is "satanic" is an irreverent, if not blasphemous claim. While I, personally, am not a supporter of the Revised Julian Calendar, and consider Churches that use it to be in error, I acknowledge the fact that there is absolutely nothing heretical about the Revised Julian Calander according to Orthodox Canon Law. You claim that, because of the Revised Julian Calendar, that New Calendarists and Old Calendarists do not celebrate Easter on the same day but this is completely wrong. Both New Calendarist and Old Calendarist Churches continue to use the Julian Calendar to determine the date of Pascha -- meaning that every Orthodox Christian person's celebration of Easter is exactly the same. Only on other feast days is there a 13-day difference. If you had actually studied the issue instead of accepting the claims that some ignorant person told you, you would have known this.

By the way, you may be interested to know that a Serb by the name of Milutin Milankovic played a major role in creating the Revised Julian Calendar.

If there is one conclusion that I can draw from all of the debates that you engaged in under this entry, it is that you seem to be ignorant on a lot of topics regarding politics, history, and Orthodoxy but, rather than educate yourself on them, you have simply accepted whatever it is you were told to believe by others with the result that you have made very offensive (but easily refutable) accusations. I can only hope that in the future that you'll learn from this experience and research facts before you engage in debate about them.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

Read Ecumenism and the Time of Apostasy, by Father Sava (Janjic) of Decani Monastery (scroll to the bottom of the page and download, PDF format). It is a book that has greatly offended and enraged Constantinople Patriarch Bartholomew, who prohibited its printing and distribution.

Much more about the issues with the adoption of the "new" - papal calendar, which is satanic because it has caused divisions and schisms within the Church that cannot be repaired almost a century later. As Dr Constantine Cavarnos points out in the conclusion of his article "The New Papal Calendar and Its Fruits":

"It should be added that the New Calendar was introduced into the Orthodox Church not for the sake of astronomical correctness, but as the first step in achieving a forced, false union of the Orthodox Church with non-Orthodox New Calendarist Christian bodies [i.e., Roman Catholic, Protestant, etc.], for the sake of certain secular advantages which such a union was expected to have. This was to be the beginning of the Orthodox Church’s participation in the 'Ecumenical Movement'—a movement which has further divided the Orthodox Church into mutually hostile parties: the Ecumenists and the anti-Ecumenists. All the Greek Old Calendarists are anti-Ecumenists, while some of the New Calendarists are Ecumenists and others are anti-Ecumenists. Thus, the evil fruits of the introduction of the New Calendar, which the Blessed Elder [Philotheos Zervakos] clearly foresaw, keep growing in number."

His Grace Artemije, Bishop of Raska-Prizren Diocese:

[...] Unfortunately, Orthodoxy did not distance itself from these temptations of modernism and secularism, and shortly it was infected by them. Among the Orthodox Churches, the first to surrender to ecumenism was the Patriarchate of Constantinople. This happened as early as January of 1920, with the encyclical "To All of the Churches of Christ." This encyclical called not only the local Orthodox Churches "Churches," but applied this term, for the first time in history, to various heretical confessions. At the very beginning of this encyclical it is written: "...[T]he effort of various Christian Churches to approach one another, and their desire for coöperation, cannot be rejected because of differences in dogma between them...."

The encyclical calls for coöperation and the realization of full unity; various heretical groups are called "churches," which are not alien to us but are close and akin to us in Christ, and together with us they are co-inheritors and co-participants in the promises of Christ Jesus (Ephesians 3:6).

As a first, practical step for attaining mutual trust and love, it is reckoned necessary for the Orthodox Church to accept the New (Gregorian) Calendar, "so that all the great Christian feasts can be celebrated by all the Churches at the same time."

This was quickly done by the Patriarchate of Constantinople (and later, as well, by sundry other local Orthodox Churches), which paid a high price for this: an internal schism both in the Church and between the people.

However, other Orthodox Churches for a time resisted this dangerous temptation. In particular, the Patriarchate of Moscow expressed a well-known caution concerning ecumenism. The meeting of Bishops of the local Orthodox Churches held in Moscow on July 8-18, 1948, on the occasion of the five-hundredth anniversary of the autocephaly of the Russian Church, bore witness to this. Representatives of the Churches of Alexandria, Antioch, Russia, Serbia, Romania, Georgia, Bulgaria, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Albania took part in this meeting.

The representatives of these Churches rejected membership in the worldwide ecumenical movement and in the World Council of Churches, which had just been formed, and they condemned the movement as heresy.

But this zeal for the defense of the Divine Truth of the Church did not continue for long, unfortunately. A mere four years after the formation of the World Council of Churches, in 1952, Patriarch Athenagoras of Constantinople issued an encyclical which exhorted all the heads of the local Orthodox Churches to join the World Council of Churches.

In spite of the fact that such exhortations were banal and non-ecclesial (for example, they contained such expressions as: "...[B]oth people and nations are working intensely to come together in confronting the great problems which occupy the whole of humanity"), certain Orthodox Churches, in that very same year, rushed to enroll in the World Council of Churches. The Œcumenical Patriarchate began to send its permanent representatives to the main center of the World Council of Churches in Geneva.

In 1959, the Central Committee of the World Council of Churches met with the representatives of all the Orthodox Churches for consultations on the island of Rhodes. Beginning at that moment, we can observe that ecumenism penetrated into Orthodoxy and, like a cancerous tumor, began to consume it from within.

After the meeting on Rhodes, the Orthodox appear to have begun to compete with one another, as to who could be the more ecumenical.

Beginning in 1961, Orthodox ecumenists began to convene one conference after another, for the purpose of bringing into reality their ecumenist agendas and goals. Thus, in 1964, a Third Conference was summoned on Rhodes, where the decision was made to establish dialogues with heretics "on equal grounds," and each local Orthodox Church was obliged to establish, independently, "fraternal relations" with heretics. The primary leader in all of these ecumenist games was Patriarch Athenagoras, who began frequent meetings with the Pope, negotiating for the mutual lifting of the Anathemas of 1054, for common prayers, and so forth. Since then, his successors and assistants, Archbishops Iakovos of North and South America and Stylianos of Australia, Damascene of Geneva, and many others, have traveled the same path.

Other representatives of various local Orthodox Churches also act according to this ecumenist plan, even though their actions have not a thing in common with the teaching and Canons of the Holy Fathers of the Church.

The borders established by our Holy Fathers have been violated, the borders between truth and falsehood, light and darkness, Christ and Belial.

The primary factor in all of these outpourings of sentiments (which essentially constitute pure hypocrisy) is the desire for all Orthodox Christians to learn the "truth" that they are brothers in Christ and members of the one and true Church together with the non-Orthodox. This is what is discussed at meetings and conferences, written about in newspapers, journals, and books, and broadcast on radio and television.

These things are necessary in order to lead us up to the "common cup," to communion between us, which is the basic goal of this so-called "dialogue of love."

All of this, according to Father Justin (Popovich), amounts to the betrayal of Judas, a terrible betrayal of the Lord Jesus Christ and the entire Church of Christ.

11:51 PM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

Orthodox Christian Anathema Against the Papal Calendar: The Sigillon of 1583

"In 1583, the Pope of Rome, Gregory XIII, who changed the Julian calendar, repeatedly pressured the Patriarch of Constantinople, Jeremias, who was called Illustrious, to follow him in the calendar innovation. The Patriarch repeatedly refused with letters, and finally in the same year, 1583, he convened a council in Constantinople...

[...]

7) That whoever does not follow the customs of the Church as the Seven Holy Ecumenical Councils decreed, and Holy Pascha, and the Menologion with which they did well in making it a law that we should follow it, and wishes to follow the newly-invented Paschalion and the New Menologion of the atheist astronomers of the Pope, and opposes all those things and wishes to overthrow and destroy the dogmas and customs of the Church which have been handed down by our fathers, let him suffer anathema and be put out of the Church of Christ and out of the Congregation of the Faithful.

Done in the year of the God-man 1583 (MDLXXXIII), year of indiction 12, November 20 [O.S.]

Jeremiah of Constantinople
Silvester of Alexandria
Sophronius of Jerusalem"

12:19 AM  
Blogger Hellenian said...

Unfortunately, it seems that you are still continuing the tactic of changing topics when you lack arguments. When the subject was Jews, you changed it to Greeks and Russians; now that the subject is the Revised Julian Calendar you change it to the Gregorian Calendar.

Nothing in your excerpts proves your claims that: a) the Revised Julian Calendar is "satanic" and b) that Athenagoras forced Churches to change their calendars.

What those excerpts prove is that: a) ecumenism is a heresy and b) accepting the Gregorian Calendar is a heresy.

You fail to understand that the Revised Julian Calendar (the calendar used by the Churches of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Poland, and Bulgaria) is not the same as the Gregorian Calendar. The fact that the Churches who use the Revised Julian Calendar celebrate Easter on the same day as Churches who use the Julian Calendar is proof of this. In addition to that major difference, there are several other differences, such as the fact that the leap year rule of the Revised Julian differs from that of the Gregorian.

The idea that acceptance of the Revised Julian Calendar is equal to voicing support for ecumenism, is absurd. After all, the Serbian Orthodox Church, which uses the original Julian Calendar, also became a member of the WCC in 1965. And it is not the only Church that uses the Julian Calendar that is also a member of the WCC.

Supporting ecumenism is not about which calendar a Church uses, it's about a lot of factors that regard divergence from the Orthodox faith. Unfortunately, a lot of Orthodox Churches have made choices that could potentially lead up to heresy (e.g. changing calendars, joining the WCC, etc.) but that does not mean that they are heretic. If that was the case then their Churches would have lost grace with the result that those Churches would not produce saints. But, as evidenced by the many miracles that go on, those Churches have not lost grace. If they ever do, it will be clear to everyone. The same applies to Churches with heretical leaders. Throughout history, there have always been heretical patriarchs, archbishops, and bishops but that has not resulted in the Church becoming heretical because their efforts to warp the Church failed.

P.S. Ecumenical Bartholomew, who is a heretic, is also very pro-Jewish. Are you telling me this is some sort of coincidence? And I find it odd that you do not recognize the link between Free Masonry and International Jewry; the latter controls the former.

1:22 AM  
Anonymous Svetlana said...

Hellenian,

quit lying! The "revised Julian Calendar" is exactly the same as the Gregorian Calendar, except for the leap year - it is nothing but ecclesiastical double-talk and you know it fully well! Or are you claiming that neither Constantine Cavarnos, nor Bishop Artemije, nor Ava Justin of Celije, or Father Sava actually know what they are talking about, so they speak of the "new papal calendar" as something that opened the door for all the heresies we are witnessing throughout Church nowadays, the schisms, divisions and problems - all that, while all the time you are only using a benevolent, clean, canonical "revised Julian calendar"?!

You are really a shameless liar and the kind of person that is so slippery one feels like having to take a shower after "discussion" with you.

I don't want to talk to you ever again - you are exceptionally dishonest, conceited and arrogant little man, who tries to bluff his way through everything and pretends he "knows" much, while if fact you know very little and the little that you do know you use to manipulate others. Shame on you!

The 70th Anniversary of the Pan-Orthodox Congress, Part II of II
A Major Step on the Path Towards Apostasy, by Bishop Photius of Triaditsa:

"The main issue discussed by the congress was the acceptance of the so-called "New Julian" calendar, or the "Revised Julian" calendar, the project of Professor M. Milankovitch, one of the delegates in the congress. In fact, this [new] calendar corresponds with the Gregorian calendar until the year 2800, when a difference of one day will occur in leap years. Nonetheless, this difference will even out in the year 2900. What an amazing discovery! Thus it becomes possible to "celebrate the major Christian feast days simultaneously with the heterodox" and, at the same time, traditionally minded Orthodox Christians can be assured that they will have not adopted the Roman Catholic calendar. Patriarch Meletius, using typical Jesuit sophistry to placate those who opposed the calendar reform, during the fourth session of the congress (May 21, 1923) read out a telegram from Patriarch Damian of Jerusalem stating, "A change in the Church Calendar is of no use and will not be accepted by our Patriarchate because it would place us in an unfavorable position in relation to the holy places of pilgrimage and to the Latins."[26] Meletius responded by announcing, "In addition, the Church at Jerusalem does not desire to adopt the Gregorian Calendar and celebrate Pascha with the Roman Catholics. We must clarify the fact that we are not adopting the Gregorian Calendar and that in a certain number of years a difference will appear between the Orthodox and Catholics in [the date of] the celebration of Pascha. Therefore, the qualms of the Church at Jerusalem are, in part, appeased."[27] Of course, Meletius "omits" the specifics that "a certain number of years" is, in actuality, a full nine centuries!"


"The "New Style Julian Calendar" is actually the Gregorian Adjustment named after Pope Gregory XIII, introduced in 1583 and commonly called the Gregorian Calendar. The memorandum notes that this adjustment more or less corrects the eleven minute error, and then goes on to tell us about the "Revised Julian Calendar," which has the curious characteristic that "until about the year 2200 both the 'New Style' and the 'Revised' versions of the Julian Calendar will coincide" (!).

These are all false and misleading distinctions. There is only one Julian Calendar—not an "Original, "Old Style," "New Style," or "Revised." No amount of invented distinctions and superfluous information can mask these facts: 1) The Julian Calendar has remained unchanged and in continuous use for over two thousand years; 2) The other church calendar is called the "Gregorian Calendar,"—not the "New Style Julian Calendar.""

1:54 AM  
Blogger Hellenic Nationalist said...

Svetlana,

The only shameless liar here is YOU!

How dare you make such insults against Hellenian.

You still have not addressed the glaring fact that you censor information insofar as the complicity of organized Jewry in regards to demonising Serbia and agitating for war against Serbia. I'm sure you know what Jewish organizations I'm talking about bcs one major powerful jew group, namely the Simon Weasel-thal Center pushed Clinton ino bombing Serbia , its all in that article from the Jewish press which you rejected from my posting on your blog. Today, you even posted a Jewish press release from the very same Jew organization that accused Serbia wrongly and deceitfully of all sorts of heinous crimes.

The shameful liar here is you who defend and censor news and information about slippery Jewish organizations spreading anti-Serbian hate.

4:11 AM  
Blogger Hellenian said...

Svetlana,

Your emotional outbursts and ad hominem attacks do little to help your position and only serve to lower the intellectual atmosphere of the discussion, as I've previously pointed out. If there is a reason you don't want to talk to me anymore, it's most likely because I expose your ignorance and misinformation regarding political, historical, and religious matters with hard facts and expose your underhanded debating techniques which consist of changing the subject to avoid the issues, completely ignoring points you can't address, and utilizing logical fallacies in order to make your arguments and conclusions seem legitimate and reasonable.

The notion that I am deceiving readers of this weblog by manipulating the truth because of some ulterior motive is as offensive as it is laughable. Not only is it offensive to me but also to the readers since you're basically saying that they lack the basic intelligence to be able to see through my alleged manipulation of them. The fact is that everything I have said is factual and in good faith. Should anyone have been exposed to a fact or viewpoint that they previously were unaware of, it goes to reason that they would study and research this fact or viewpoint in more depth by themselves and reach their own personal conclusion to its validity. So why are you so threatened? If you are so convinced that I am an "exceptionally dishonest, conceited and arrogant little man, who tries to bluff his way through everything and pretends he "knows" much" then you have nothing to worry about because, if all of that is true, then anyone who believed something I said and took the time to research it on his own would immediately see the truth and this would only strengthen his convictions. Therefore, if you are worried about what I write it means that you don't really believe what you said about me.

I still cannot believe that you refuse to accept the fact that Orthodox Christians of New Calendar Churches celebrate Easter on the same date as Orthodox Christians of Julian Calendar Churches. The reason this is so mind-boggling is because one of the very links you previously posted explicitly states that the New Calendar does not follow the Gregorian Calendar in regards to Great Lent and Pascha:

"A minority of Orthodox churches worldwide, beginning in 1923, decided to follow the so-called "New" (Gregorian) Calendar. This is the same calendar used by the Roman Catholics and Protestants, except for the period of Great Lent and Pascha (known as the Paschalion)".

If you aren't going to read the links that I post, at least read the ones that you do!

In response to the excerpts you posted, I believe that it is dishonest that you quote from Bishop Photius of Triaditsa and then, without notifying your readers that you are quoting from a second source, proceed to excerpt from a certain "Andrew Bond", leaving us to believe that the words of the latter were the words of the former. Did you innocently "forget" to inform your readers that two of the three paragraphs you cited were from Andrew Bond or did you believe that, if you omitted his name, people would be more inclined to believe the texts he wrote because they'd think a biship wrote them?

Now, to address the seeming contradiction within your sources (i.e. how some of them state that New Calendar Churches celebrate Easter on the same date as Julian Calendar Churches and how other sources say that the Revised Julian calendar celebrates Easter on the same date as Catholics and Protestants), it is important to note that when the Revised Julian Calendar was being formulated, they originally adopted the following astronimical rule for Pascha:

"Pascha is the Sunday after the midnight-to-midnight day at the meridian of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem during which the first full moon after the vernal equinox occurs. Although the instant of the full moon must occur after the instant of the vernal equinox, it may occur on the same day. If the full moon occurs on a Sunday, Easter is the following Sunday". (Source: OrthodoxWiki: Revised Julian Calendar)

However, this proposal was rejected by all of the Orthodox Churches and they continued to use the Julian Calendar for calculating the date of Easter as well as all movable feast days dependent on it:

"The Orthodox Churches which have adopted the New Calendar observe Christmas with the other Churches of Christendom on December 25; the Orthodox Churches which have not adopted it celebrate Christmas 13 days later, on January 7. The former celebrates Epiphany on January 6 and by the latter on January 19. And so it is with all the great feasts of the Christian Calendar but one. Easter, the feast of feasts, continues to be calculated by all Orthodox Churches to the dates of the Old Calendar. Consequently, all Orthodox Churches observe the event of Christ's Resurrection on the same day, regardless of when the rest of Christendom does.

[...]

"It may well be that the date of Orthodox Easter occasionally coincides with that of the other Christian Churches; however, it may also occur as much as 5 weeks later. Thus arose the formula applied by the Orthodox Churches adopting the New Calendar--viz., that immovable feast days are to be observed 13 days earlier than in the Old Calendar, while Easter and all movable feast days dependent on it are still calculated according to the Old Calendar--which was seen as a compromise with those who opposed the change. On the one hand, the necessary revisions were made to correct the Old Calendar; on the other hand, the calculation of Easter was retained as before so as not to violate the holy canons. Nevertheless, this compromise was to prove incapable of preventing the schism of "Old Calendarists" which ensued". (Source: The Calendar of the Orthodox Church)

Hopefully, these sources along with the source you yourself provided that says the same thing, will finally convince you that Orthodox Christians who belong to Revised Julian Calendar Churches celebrate Easter along with other Orthodox Christians and not, as you accused, with the Papists. (Note: The Church of Finland and the Church of Estonia celebrate Easter on the same date as Papists and Protestants do but I think their Churches may have actually adopted the Gregorian Calendar; I'm not entirely sure about the situation with them, though, except that I remember them complaining about how they weren't being allowed to celebrate Easter with their Protestant countrymen.)

8:52 AM  
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10:54 AM  
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